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Stok3d
06-03-2013, 02:47 PM
Full Analytics @ Kicktraq (http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game/#chart-daily)

8hours after the below post, Pro-Tier Was Sold Out (http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=23465&page=9) (anything bold / underlined is a thread link) followed next by Grand King Sold out (http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=23807):

Statistics at 5000x Backer Statistics (http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=23465&page=9&p=213420&viewfull=1#post213420):

Took 10 days
Pledged $629,960
Avg Spent per Person: $125.99

Supporter Tier $10: 95x
Squire Tier $20: 808x
Warrior Tier $35: 788x
Captain Tier $50: 540x
Knight Tier $65: 570x
Champion Tier $85: 197x
King Early Bird $90: 250x (Sold Out)
King Tier $120: 598
Collector Tier $250: 25/1000
Raider Tier $250: 10/1000
Dungeon Tier $250: 67/1000
Guild Master Tier $250: 5/1000
Pro Tier $250: 640/1000
Grand King Tier $500: 332/1000
Dragon Lord Tier $1000: 31/50
Primal Tier $2500: 2/25
Immortal Tier $5000: 0/20
Producer Tier $10000: 2/15


I want to have this tracked before the insanity begins over the next Three Days.

Statistics at 12,000x Backers:

$1,704,307
$142+ Avg Spent Per
6/3/2013 18:00 EST (GMT -5)

Supporter $10: 193x
Squire $20: 1817x
Warrior $35: 1771x
Captain $50: 1084x
Knight $65: 1233x
Champion $85: 607x
Early Bird King: Sold Out
King: 1889
Collector: 300x (700/1000 left)
Raider: 44x (956/1000 left)(+1 Starting Hand Size Stacks with Group.. upto +3 cards at start)
Dungeon Crawler 714x (276 of 990 left)
Guild Master 54x (946 or 1000 left)
Pro Player: Sold Out
Grand King: Sold Out
Dragon Lord: Sold Out
Primal: 17x (8/25 left)
Immortal: 1x (19/20 left)
Producer: 7x (8/15 left)


Twitch Just finished a minute ago and snagged this data:

Statistics at 13,027x Backers:

$1,832,334
$141+ Avg Spent Per
6/4/2013 21:00 EST (GMT -5)
64x Hours remaining

Supporter $10: 201x
Squire $20: 2035x
Warrior $35: 1930x
Captain $50: 1182x
Knight $65: 1346x
Champion $85: 644x
Early Bird King: Sold Out
King: 2055
Collector: 352x (615/967 left)
Raider: 52x (941/993 left)(+1 Starting Hand Size Stacks with Group.. upto +3 cards at start)
Dungeon Crawler 866x (98 of 964 left)
Guild Master 62x (933 or 995 left)
Pro Player: Sold Out
Grand King: Sold Out
Dragon Lord: Sold Out
Primal: 21x (4/25 left)
Immortal: 0x (20/20 left)
Producer: 9x (6/15 left)


Dungeon Crawler Sold Out (http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=24775&page=2&p=239059&viewfull=1#post239059) at 8:12am EST

Statistics at 14,000x Backers:

$1,922,271
$141+ Avg Spent Per
6/5/2013 17:23 EST (GMT -5)
44x Hours remaining

Supporter $10: 217x
Squire $20: 2243x
Warrior $35: 2103x
Captain $50: 1275x
Knight $65: 1422x
Champion $85: 707x
Early Bird King: Sold Out
King: 2228
Collector: 399x (568/967 left)
Raider: 63x (930/993 left)(+1 Starting Hand Size Stacks with Group.. upto +3 cards at start)
Dungeon Crawler Sold Out
Guild Master 74x (921 or 995 left)
Pro Player: Sold Out
Grand King: Sold Out
Dragon Lord: Sold Out
Primal: 19x (5/24 left)
Immortal: 0x (20/20 left)
Producer: 9x (6/15 left)


Primal is now Gone. Producer should be the next to go and the Frantic 24hour Rush till Kickstart Close is on!!!

Statistics at 15,000x Backers:

$2,055,306
$137+ Avg Spent Per
5/6/2013 13:17 EST (GMT -5)
24x Hours remaining

Supporter $10: *238x
Squire $20: *2447x
Warrior $35: *2265x
Captain $50: *1364x
Knight $65: *1512x
Champion $85: *764x
Early Bird King: *Sold Out
King: *2448
Collector: *492x (475/967 left)
Raider: *89x (904/993 left)(+1 Starting Hand Size Stacks with Group.. upto +3 cards at start)
Dungeon Crawler: Sold Out
Guild Master 92x (903 of 995 left)
Pro Player: *Sold Out
Grand King: *Sold Out
Dragon Lord: *Sold Out
Primal: *Sold Out
Immortal: *0x (20/20 left)
Producer: *12x (2/14 left)





Notable:
The twitch.tv comes out soon and if the Run on Pro Tier (http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=23465&page=9&p=213420&viewfull=1#post213420) and the Run on Grand King Tier on 5/21 are any indication of events to come when availability gets low, we're about to have some more "Sold Out" Tiers.

Prediction:
I predict Dungeon Crawler will be the first to go, Primal will go shortly after, and then the other $250 tiers will pick up some serious momentum.


Consider This:
What's interesting to note is people have yet to realize the True Value of Raid Leader (http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=24626&p=235722&viewfull=1#post235722). Anyone who is even considering playing PVE should at minimum grab this tier and/or stack it. If 3x people who have the Raid Leader Perk are in the same raid, they will start with +3x cards in their hand at the start (This part does stack). This is your only shot to get this perk during the kickstart. Once it's gone, it's gone.

Mark my words, with possibly over 1,000,000 ppl trying out the Free-to-Play PVE, the competitive PVE like in WoW will definitely develop. Any little edge you can get on a boss could make the difference between killing it and getting that extra <Legendary Loot>?!? or wipe time-after-time-after-time until you formulate a new strategy.

I look forward to seeing the following Spam: "WTB Raider Perk / Paying 2Plat to Join Premade"

Congrats to everyone reading this! We found out about Hex before Millions did and have a shot at all the perks!!!

henrysquire
06-03-2013, 02:50 PM
ok

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 02:53 PM
Good post, one small critique I am dying to give you.

Qorsair
06-03-2013, 02:54 PM
I agree, I think we'll be seeing a sellout of DC soon. And I expect Raid Leader to pick up some steam as the more hardcore PVE crowd realizes how the bonus will work--and possibly drop their DC tier or just add RL to it.

Shadowelf
06-03-2013, 03:05 PM
DC will definately be the first to go; i'm not seeing any of the other $250 tiers selling out, but i think collector may come close. Ah and i'm hoping to eat those words :P

whythelastman
06-03-2013, 03:06 PM
@Stok3d: Considering it. Nodding my head. Good info. Love your sig!

Stok3d
06-03-2013, 03:10 PM
@Stok3d: Considering it. Nodding my head. Good info. Love your sig!
<3 Thank you!!!

Stig
06-03-2013, 04:25 PM
If I can't get a GK by the time RL is under 150, I think I'll drop my pledge back to $250 and stack a RL through paypal. King + DC + RL doesn't sound too bad.

TheDiv
06-03-2013, 05:41 PM
So I started at a King. Went to DC because PP and GK were gone. Yesterday I was finally convinced to get a Collector and now people are saying RL is the way to go... So essentially now my options are:

DC + Collector
DC + RL (Merged) and a Collector on the side

Who needs rent and food?

BohemianStalker
06-03-2013, 06:06 PM
In my eyes PvE has so many broken combos now, there is no need for raid leader tier. + hand size does not matter mthat much when you have those broken combos...anyway I will be propably using 9 tail monkey = +2 hand size...

And from my long experience of gaming, things you buy with real money are always much more valuable than PvE stuff, so I really think PvE is being overrated in this topic. In reality you will spend few plat for all gear you need since all f2p kids will be farming bosses and raids all the day long.

Imho : True value of raid leader is a myth.

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 06:08 PM
On the bright side, it's our best backer day ever.




*edited to not feed the trolls.

Lochar
06-03-2013, 06:11 PM
On the bright side, it's our best backer day ever.



I didn't think we'd actually see the last few days boost like most Kickstarters do, but we may yet. Holy hell.

Qorsair
06-03-2013, 06:12 PM
In my eyes PvE has so many broken combos now, there is no need for raid leader tier. + hand size does not matter mthat much when you have those broken combos...anyway I will be propably using 9 tail monkey = +2 hand size...

And from my long experience of gaming, things you buy with real money are always much more valuable than PvE stuff, so I really think PvE is being overrated in this topic. In reality you will spend few plat for all gear you need since all f2p kids will be farming bosses and raids all the day long.

Imho : True value of raid leader is a myth.

I don't think I've seen anyone trying to argue the value of Raid Leader over Pro player, if that's what you're concerned about. What most appear to be questioning now is the value of RL vs DC. And your comments seem to help the case for the value of Raid Leader over Dungeon Crawler.

TheDiv
06-03-2013, 07:07 PM
I don't think I've seen anyone trying to argue the value of Raid Leader over Pro player, if that's what you're concerned about. What most appear to be questioning now is the value of RL vs DC. And your comments seem to help the case for the value of Raid Leader over Dungeon Crawler.

Mhmm, he does have a point though in regards to the value of PvE loot. But at the end of the day, we just don't know. Such is my inner conflict. I see heaps of value in Cllector, DC and RL but the most I can afford to spend is $500.

Stok3d
06-03-2013, 07:13 PM
Mhmm, he does have a point though in regards to the value of PvE loot. But at the end of the day, we just don't know. Such is my inner conflict. I see heaps of value in Cllector, DC and RL but the most I can afford to spend is $500.

In all honesty if I had $500 cap with what's available right now on the table, without I second thought I'd get a DC & RL and stack them. I do plan on playing PVE and when playing the dungeons Solo, I want to make my time investment as efficient as possible.

Cory mentioned there is say a couple hundred hours of play time and on the twitch tonight they mentioned that you could get approx 25% of the gear you need for your cards on a single pass through. If I'm trying to collect everything, I'd want to be as efficient as possible with my time... also I think PVE will be fun anyway. Just my 2cents.

You can always buy the alt art cards--you can't buy those perks again after this week.


Go go Kickstarter. We're under 10k to our best pledge dollar amounts for the day.

And we're up to 9 producers. I wonder if people are just pledging to up the numbers?

I think between sleep / work and being away from their computers, ppl are paranoid a tier they want will be sold out by the time they return. Time is short and some of these spots are numbered.

Lochar
06-03-2013, 07:15 PM
Go go Kickstarter. We're under 10k to our best pledge dollar amounts for the day.

And we're up to 9 producers. I wonder if people are just pledging to up the numbers?

TheDiv
06-03-2013, 07:18 PM
You can always buy the alt art cards--you can't buy those perks again after this week.

That's the one thing pushing me to go DC + RL. Do we know if the RL +1card bonus works for singleplayer dungeons or is only grouped raids?

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 07:20 PM
RL bonus is 'all non-tournament multiplayer pve' which means definitely none of the single player dungeons. Maybe multiplayer ones if there ever is one of those.

Right now that is exclusively defined as 'Raids'. But we can't guarantee that it will remain that. It's much more open than DC which is specifically dungeons only.

Stok3d
06-03-2013, 07:32 PM
If your still torn and concerned about what's worth the most in the long run, DC & Collector is what I'd compare. There is a good arguement saying that a lot of the PVE gear may drop substantially in price because of the F2P grinds and that could make Collector nicer.

Playing PVE for a year, would your value come more from 100% gold items to sell on AH or would it come from 12x exclusive Alt art cards yearly? I can't answer that--dunno. RL seems that it would make your gaming experience better and more sought out for ppl to want to group up with you.

TheDiv
06-03-2013, 08:16 PM
There is a good argument saying that a lot of the PVE gear may drop substantially in price because of the F2P grinds and that could make Collector nicer.

Also true. So it could come down to whether or not I'd want to spend more time to grind PvE gear or buy it, given that it's F2P content there should, in theory, be greater supply. Or if I want to buy the Collector cards which will have a limited supply.

I think the RL concern may be mitigated by having a solid group of friends and guild mates you can run with that won't whine at you not having the +1.

So by that logic, Collector as the main tier I get might be the way to go :) Thanks for this discussion and your input mate, it's really helping me see things in different ways!

Skirovik
06-03-2013, 09:13 PM
Stok3d,

I had a look at the spreadsheet and I think the GK and higher tiers need updating. You give the PP tier a value of "$380 + $364 per year" but the Grand King and higher ALSO get this bonus. This definitely misrepresents the value of those tiers. An update would be welcome. Cheers.

Stok3d
06-03-2013, 09:16 PM
I didn't make the spreadsheet, I saw in on the KS pages, asked for credentials, but got none. I saw the Collector was incomplete, but it looked useful. if there is more error, I'm just going to remove it.

Edit: I just removed it. Wrong / outdated info isn't good to spread around. Thnx for the heads up

theradol
06-03-2013, 09:16 PM
I don't think I've seen anyone trying to argue the value of Raid Leader over Pro player, if that's what you're concerned about. What most appear to be questioning now is the value of RL vs DC. And your comments seem to help the case for the value of Raid Leader over Dungeon Crawler.

I think I might pick raid leader over pro player.

Depends how much this is an mmo and how much its a tcg.

theradol
06-03-2013, 09:20 PM
Also true. So it could come down to whether or not I'd want to spend more time to grind PvE gear or buy it, given that it's F2P content there should, in theory, be greater supply. Or if I want to buy the Collector cards which will have a limited supply.

I think the RL concern may be mitigated by having a solid group of friends and guild mates you can run with that won't whine at you not having the +1.

So by that logic, Collector as the main tier I get might be the way to go :) Thanks for this discussion and your input mate, it's really helping me see things in different ways!

well, I would say either way you will probably be able to get a good pve set. I think the question is will you ever want to play pvp constructed, at that point the collector cards will be trade fodder for you to get your constructed deck.

For me, I know i have friends who will play this game, but they wont have the best stuff and they won't play the best. And I'll be lucky to have more then one on at one time. Raid Leader will hopefully make it so we can find a decent 3rd and then win with a pug.

Stok3d
06-03-2013, 09:25 PM
I think I might pick raid leader over pro player.

Depends how much this is an mmo and how much its a tcg.

Buy a RL and merge. I wouldn't give that pro up for anything.

Qorsair
06-03-2013, 10:45 PM
Buy a RL and merge. I wouldn't give that pro up for anything.

Same here. Unless you don't plan on drafting at all (my wife), I'd keep the pro player over any of the other $250s.

TheDiv
06-03-2013, 10:49 PM
Same here. Unless you don't plan on drafting at all (my wife), I'd keep the pro player over any of the other $250s.

Another great option is to give TheDiv your PP ;)

Stok3d
06-04-2013, 06:13 PM
Original Post Updated with recent stats for historical tracking. DC and Primal will be gone soon.

Stok3d
06-05-2013, 02:30 PM
Original Post updated. DC sold out at 8:12am today. That was fast. Primal to go next. Now for Raid Leader & Collector to pick up some steam!

Stok3d
06-06-2013, 10:31 AM
OP Updated with 15,000 back stats and also 24hour shapshot until KS ends.

Ben
06-06-2013, 10:42 AM
Thanks for the stats/information, very interesting, I chose DC.