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TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:10 PM
the dungeon crawler :
100% drop rate?

what does that even mean?

theradol
06-03-2013, 09:13 PM
i was gonna answer then realized I don't actually know.

Its either like 100% magic find in diablo or its double the loot. I have seen people say which one but I no longer remember.

BlindMan
06-03-2013, 09:13 PM
Where does it say rate?

It says 100% extra loot drop. So double the loot.

DjiN
06-03-2013, 09:16 PM
But it doesn't say if you get the loot twice or two separate rolls.

larryhl
06-03-2013, 09:16 PM
Most likely 2 separate rolls I think.

Black_Omega
06-03-2013, 09:23 PM
I believe this was covered by CZE somewhere...

If you get loot out of a dungeon boss, for example, instead of one you will get two. Or if you were to get 1,000 gold, you will get 2,000 instead.

It didn't sound like it made it a 'guaranteed drop', but if the system does its thing and you are to get loot, you get two pieces out of that bosses loot table instead of one.

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 09:25 PM
It says "+100% extra loot drop (gold, items, etc.)"

I'm guessing, in just an example, after each battle, a normal battle will give you say 5 drops. With DC, you will get 6. In other words +1 extra drop, which could be in the form of gold, items, etc.

What I wanna know is what is this "etc."

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:26 PM
BO. is this 100% true ?

DjiN
06-03-2013, 09:28 PM
It says "+100% extra loot drop (gold, items, etc.)"

I'm guessing, in just an example, after each battle, a normal battle will give you say 5 drops. With DC, you will get 6. In other words +1 extra drop, which could be in the form of gold, items, etc.

What I wanna know is what is this "etc."

etc. meaning Gear and Gems.
And if you are right (totally possible in my opinion) than I would laugh at all DC backers thinking its more worth than collectors ^^

theradol
06-03-2013, 09:30 PM
It says "+100% extra loot drop (gold, items, etc.)"

I'm guessing, in just an example, after each battle, a normal battle will give you say 5 drops. With DC, you will get 6. In other words +1 extra drop, which could be in the form of gold, items, etc.

What I wanna know is what is this "etc."

I don't see how that could possibly mean that.

Skirovik
06-03-2013, 09:30 PM
It says "+100% extra loot drop (gold, items, etc.)"

I'm guessing, in just an example, after each battle, a normal battle will give you say 5 drops. With DC, you will get 6. In other words +1 extra drop, which could be in the form of gold, items, etc.

What I wanna know is what is this "etc."

Interesting to see your take on +100% to be +1 item rather than "5 drops = all loot = 100% loot therefore +100% loot = +5 drops". The latter is how I imagine most out there (including myself) have interpreted the DC bonus working.

What's your reasoning for it being only +1?

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 09:32 PM
I don't see how that could possibly mean that.

How not? It didn't say +100% chance of loot drop, which is what most people seem to be thinking

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:32 PM
i am going to call cory on this.... unless i get a straight up answer...lol

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 09:34 PM
What's your reasoning for it being only +1?

Just the fact that it is written as "+100% extra loot drop". But again, just to clarify, this is just another way of interpreting the statement.

Skirovik
06-03-2013, 09:37 PM
Just the fact that it is written as "+100% extra loot drop". But again, just to clarify, this is just another way of interpreting the statement.

My thinking, however, is if you give me 2 apples and promise to give me 100% more apples in 1 hour, I sure as hell will be expecting 2 more apples, not 1.

The fact that it can be interpreted either way though definitely indicates that it needs to be clarified by CZE before the KS ends.

Derium
06-03-2013, 09:38 PM
I read it as it's a 100% increase chance on whatever "loot bonus" you may have. Like a 20% becoming a +40% of getting a drop. Not just flat out doubling the drops you get.

Again, the word "extra" really really sticks out.

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 09:38 PM
Let me expand. Basically, I think that after an encounter a roll will done to determine how many drops are made. So it can roll anywhere between say, 1 and 5. With the DC, you have a 100% roll to get an extra drop, ie. +1 for whatever the base roll drop is.

Derium
06-03-2013, 09:39 PM
My thinking, however, is if you give me 2 apples and promise to give me 100% more apples in 1 hour, I sure as hell will be expecting 2 more apples, not 1.

The fact that it can be interpreted either way though definitely indicates that it needs to be clarified by CZE before the KS ends.


but if the first apple is your normal drop, and the second apple is your extra drop. Then you apply the 100% extra bonus. you end up with 3 apples.

DjiN
06-03-2013, 09:43 PM
The problem here is the singular of drop. It doesn't say dropS.
Staying with apples:

If I give you +100% apple you get one apple if I give you +100% apples you get twice as much as you had before.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:43 PM
i need a decision so i can pledge before it runs out

DjiN
06-03-2013, 09:45 PM
i need a decision so i can pledge before it runs out

If you are planning on investing most of your time in an MMO and PvP game in single player, go for dungeon crawler! If not, take something else.

Skirovik
06-03-2013, 09:49 PM
So... who feels like sending an email to CZE or calling up that number?

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:50 PM
i want the PvP on weekends and PvE during the week. I WANT IT ALL }:-D ...MWA HA HA HA

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:51 PM
tried the number DAMN wheres the bat signal

DjiN
06-03-2013, 09:51 PM
Than don't ask silly questions and get a Primal tier.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:51 PM
im a poor super villian

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 09:53 PM
My thinking, however, is if you give me 2 apples and promise to give me 100% more apples in 1 hour, I sure as hell will be expecting 2 more apples, not 1.

The fact that it can be interpreted either way though definitely indicates that it needs to be clarified by CZE before the KS ends.

I too, would expect double. However, in that case, the pledge description should write "+100% more loot drops". Or simply "double loot drops"

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 09:56 PM
you know what i will take it because of 2 reasons over the other 250 choices.

40 dungeons on launch = 40 bosses and cory said in every interveiw " equipment will be hard to find"

out of whats left it has the least left. = popular = good

Derium
06-03-2013, 09:57 PM
you know what i will take it because of 2 reasons over the other 250 choices.

40 dungeons on launch = 40 bosses and cory said in every interveiw " equipment will be hard to find"

out of whats left it has the least left. = popular = good

a good way to look at it.

BlindMan
06-03-2013, 09:58 PM
I understand wanting to know what you are getting. But the phrase "extra loot drop" has never been used to describe anything in the game outside of this tier description. It doesn't make sense to interpret this as "+100% of all 'extra loot drop'" when "extra loot drop" doesn't mean anything by itself.

In my opinion, it can only reasonably mean double loot.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:00 PM
how valuable could the alt art cards be ? if i knew they would go on ebay for 50.oo maybe worth it but. but i cannot see this

i could how ever trade away them as i needed throughout the year to stay current in the meta

Digital_Aether
06-03-2013, 10:01 PM
It was clarified somewhere, that it means double the total drop. It's "as if you beat the boss twice".

Derium
06-03-2013, 10:02 PM
how valuable could the alt art cards be ? if i knew they would go on ebay for 50.oo maybe worth it but. but i cannot see this

i could how ever trade away them as i needed throughout the year to stay current in the meta

You won't see anything HEX related on eBay, it's a violation of eBay policy. So you'd have to rely on RMT outside of that, and that area becomes sketchy FAST. PayPal will not protect you with non-tangible items either. Soooo, don't ponder taking that route if $$ is what you're after.

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 10:02 PM
It was clarified somewhere, that it means double the total drop. It's "as if you beat the boss twice".

Can you find us the source? It seems like everyone else is in a hole in this matter.

Malicus
06-03-2013, 10:13 PM
To me double loot if loot is guaranteed rather than a chance or double chance if loot is not guaranteed, I believe it will be double loot. None of the other explanations make sense, the idea that it would be one extra piece of loot makes the least sense since it could simply have been described as +1 piece of loot.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:22 PM
Bump.... i need an adult i would to know what this actually means

Madican
06-03-2013, 10:28 PM
The wording is pretty clear. 100% extra drops, meaning when you get one, you get another. So 2x drops.

It's basic math people.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:31 PM
The wording is pretty clear. 100% extra drops, meaning when you get one, you get another. So 2x drops.

It's basic math people.

i think this is their intention but it was worded poorly . doesnt matter i picked up a DC untill i can find a PK or what ever the 500.oo is

Massabik
06-03-2013, 10:34 PM
They have stated plainly: say a boss drops a card, a piece of gear, and 5000 gold, dungeon crawlers will get 2 cards, 2 pieces of gear, and 10000 gold.

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 10:35 PM
They have stated plainly: say a boss drops a card, a piece of gear, and 5000 gold, dungeon crawlers will get 2 cards, 2 pieces of gear, and 10000 gold.
^ that is exactly right.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:36 PM
They have stated plainly: say a boss drops a card, a piece of gear, and 5000 gold, dungeon crawlers will get 2 cards, 2 pieces of gear, and 10000 gold.

where does it say this?

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 10:37 PM
where does it say this?
Just take my word for it? or search extensively in the forums.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:38 PM
so i will get double rewards for bosses?

TheDiv
06-03-2013, 10:38 PM
Just take my word for it? or search extensively in the forums.

You should listen to this guy...

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 10:41 PM
so i will get double rewards for bosses?
From a dungeon boss that drops 1 random card, 1 random piece of gear and a static 2000 gold, you will receive as a DC, 2 random cards, 2 random pieces of equipment and 4000 gold, yes.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:43 PM
500+ posts does not mean he is right! just means he has a lot of time and opinions

it does show he has seen a lot though?

but many people see it that way and your backing him. so i can say its probably a good chance he is sure of his answer.

Massabik
06-03-2013, 10:45 PM
I can't remember exactly where it was stated, but they said it straight out ;)

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 10:50 PM
ok well fair enough i just wanted to know.

Drelder
06-03-2013, 10:54 PM
If you search "dungeoncrawler", you will find a thread about "Questions about Dungeoncrawler tier". One poster mentioned that Cory explained what extra 100% means in the interview/webcast.

dodecapod
06-03-2013, 11:03 PM
If you search "dungeoncrawler", you will find a thread about "Questions about Dungeoncrawler tier". One poster mentioned that Cory explained what extra 100% means in the interview/webcast.

Yes, I searched and read that. Here is what one poster wrote:


Cory had said you get double the number of drops. It isn't a rarity modifier, the likelihood of rare drops scales based on momentum (if that system is actually in place, it may have just been an idea he was talking about).

However, moments later, the same user posts:


What it sounded like to me, if there's a 30% chance one card drops, and a 70% chance of a second card, and you have DC, you get two rolls for loot. You'd might get two of A, two of B, or one of A and one of B. Again, there isn't a lot of details out, but that's what I had taken from the info available.

I'm confused @_@

Still no direct source to the explanation though.

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 11:05 PM
Digital_Aether actually exists on many planes other than our own, and sometimes will respond to alternate reality conversations.

TheProphet
06-03-2013, 11:07 PM
LOL , well any way more loot is more loot ill take it.

Gwaer
06-03-2013, 11:10 PM
Try checking the first twitch stream, he did a Q&A before and after the video I believe... It might be there. I know he said it, I know i read/heard it from his lips, but it was weeks ago now I believe.

Earlier I was thinking he might have said it in the actual kickstarter comments, which I'm pretty sure are unsearchable =/

Jugan
06-03-2013, 11:27 PM
They'll probably specify it closer to release. Nothing is official or set in stone until then.

Fireblast
06-04-2013, 02:43 AM
It was clarified somewhere, that it means double the total drop. It's "as if you beat the boss twice".

That's how it works!
Jeez people always have to interpret what is written.
100% extra loot drop means AS IF YOU LOOTED TWICE FROM A DIFFERENT INSTANCE OF THE BOSS.

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dodecapod
06-04-2013, 03:50 AM
I watched the past videos they have in their twitch channel, and nada. They don't have the video where they mention the dungeon crawler. The oldest two videos they have are the exact same video (lol), and the other video is recent "technical issue" video.

Fireblast
06-04-2013, 05:47 AM
Youtube

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