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SunsetShimmer
06-06-2013, 10:50 AM
Are we allowed to buy accounts?

I wasn't able to get a GK and am willing to pay someone else for their's. Is this within the game's terms and conditions for me to do so?

If so, anyone want to name a price for their GK account?

jai151
06-06-2013, 10:52 AM
CZE's official stance on this is that they have no official stance on this.

Tyrfang
06-06-2013, 10:53 AM
Basically, figure it out yourself. Make sure you do your due diligence, and try not to get scammed.

Good luck...

Genocidal
06-06-2013, 11:03 AM
Tip: Drawing attention to it on the official forums isn't the best way to go about it, since it puts Cryptozoic in the awkward position of either ignoring threads on their forums and any problems caused within or having to take an official stance.

Yasi
06-06-2013, 11:07 AM
Are we allowed to buy accounts?

I wasn't able to get a GK and am willing to pay someone else for their's. Is this within the game's terms and conditions for me to do so?

If so, anyone want to name a price for their GK account?

Most players who has a Grand King account will probably sit on it until the game is really popular and sell it off for $1,000 or more.

grey0one
06-06-2013, 11:55 AM
Most players who has a Grand King account will probably sit on it until the game is really popular and sell it off for $1,000 or more.

This is a rather crass oversimplification, but mostly true. People will get tried after 6 months or so and start selling GKs for profit.

Mugaaz
06-06-2013, 12:28 PM
It will prolly be against EULA, but it probably isn't against the KS EULA to do it beforehand.

BohemianStalker
06-06-2013, 12:47 PM
It will prolly be against EULA, but it probably isn't against the KS EULA to do it beforehand.

most importantly its not against law lol

grey0one
06-06-2013, 01:12 PM
most importantly its not against law lol

I hate when people say this. Of course it's not against the "Law," as in Federal/State/Local laws. It is breaking a contract with Cryptozoic. You agreed to one thing, but decided not to be bond by it.

Hatchet
06-06-2013, 01:17 PM
I am of two minds about this.

Obviously, selling of account should be frowned upon, but also as I missed out on GK (didn't know about this until they were gone) I will pick an account up one the secondary market. If Crypozoic doesn't want my money, someone else always will.

SunsetShimmer
06-06-2013, 04:10 PM
Is there any way to close this thread? I've resolved my case without needing to buy an account.

MrSeriousBsns
06-06-2013, 05:02 PM
Grats on the snipe?

Ozmono
06-06-2013, 05:51 PM
I hate when people say this. Of course it's not against the "Law," as in Federal/State/Local laws. It is breaking a contract with Cryptozoic. You agreed to one thing, but decided not to be bond by it.
It depends where you live. It is my understanding that EU gamers one a major victory in this regard. They are allowed by European law to sell their digital goods. They can compel steam to allow them for example. I don't know if it's the same thing in my country or in the US though.

BohemianStalker
06-06-2013, 06:15 PM
I hate when people say this. Of course it's not against the "Law," as in Federal/State/Local laws. It is breaking a contract with Cryptozoic. You agreed to one thing, but decided not to be bond by it.

do some research before you start talking about hate. In European union if the document you agree to is not in your native language you are , by law, not bound to it(and it makes sense). So all this EULAS of EA or Blizzard are not legal.

Also, I have an itching that prohibition of selling something you already bough is against civil code/law in EU.

edit: look at Ozmono post

btw I hate like some Americans automatically assume everybody is American.

TLDR: Eulas are not laws and they are nonsensical ,-)

Tyrfang
06-06-2013, 07:33 PM
It depends where you live. It is my understanding that EU gamers one a major victory in this regard. They are allowed by European law to sell their digital goods. They can compel steam to allow them for example. I don't know if it's the same thing in my country or in the US though.

Looks like I have to move to...uh, Denmark? Yeah, Denmark's probably good.

Ozmono
06-06-2013, 07:35 PM
Looks like I have to move to...uh, Denmark? Yeah, Denmark's probably good.

If you can deal with the weather Sweden is good. I think they have the best living standards in the world still right? but I think Denmark is up there too.

Tyrfang
06-06-2013, 07:37 PM
If you can deal with the weather Sweden is good. I think they have the best living standards in the world still right? but I think Denmark is up there too.

Sweden works, although I'd have to hope over to Estonia to buy booze...

Kietay
06-06-2013, 08:29 PM
It depends where you live. It is my understanding that EU gamers one a major victory in this regard. They are allowed by European law to sell their digital goods. They can compel steam to allow them for example. I don't know if it's the same thing in my country or in the US though.

This is not true. They did pass that law, but no nation is ever bound by international law and no sane nation ever gives in to international laws. Your sovereignty is the most important thing about your country. Any European asking steam to let them sell their items will get laughed at.

Ozmono
06-06-2013, 08:35 PM
This is not true. They did pass that law, but no nation is ever bound by international law and no sane nation ever gives in to international laws. Your sovereignty is the most important thing about your country. Any European asking steam to let them sell their items will get laughed at.
That's not true. I know people who have done it. It's not International law in question. It's European law we are talking about. I'm not an expert on the subject but I have friends in Europe who have done it. Steam tries to talk them out of it but it happens.

Kietay
06-06-2013, 08:39 PM
It's an international law for Valve. Valve is based out of the United States. If they ever have let anyone sell a game it is simply for customer satisfaction rather than forced by law.

Ozmono
06-06-2013, 08:44 PM
It's an international law for Valve. Valve is based out of the United States. If they ever have let anyone sell a game it is simply for customer satisfaction rather than forced by law.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2012/07/04/curia-digital-distribution/
Two second google search.

If they operate in Europe they must abide by European law. They aren't exempt from European law. What happens sometimes is it's hard to enforce your national laws when companies are operating in cyber space but that doesn't mean they are free to do whatever they want. Otherwise how do you explain the crack down on kiddy porn? It's harder to enforce it when there are lots of small companies running business from foreign countries but for the EU to get one massive company (valve) to comply with it's laws isn't hard.

Kietay
06-06-2013, 08:49 PM
There is nothing any European court can do to Valve. At worst they would just stop selling games in that particular country and the people definitely do not want that. Their EULA can simply be changed to say they aren't selling games, just leasing them. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case right now anyways.

Ozmono
06-06-2013, 08:50 PM
There is nothing any European court can do to Valve. At worst they would just stop selling games in that particular country and the people definitely do not want that. Their EULA can simply be changed to say they aren't selling games, just leasing them. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case right now anyways.

That's right they can get valve to stop operating in Europe, which is the largest market in the world, larger than the USA. If they sell to Europeans the EU can make them either stop it or make them abide by their laws, it's simple.

EDIT
I wouldn't be suprised if they could do more than that come to think of it. If valve choose to ignore the laws after being warned that is but as I said I'm not an expert on it.