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Rendakor
04-22-2014, 03:52 PM
I know the beta is going to start tomorrow, but I'm concerned about us getting our KS rewards before we've had a chance to test the AH. What I think ought to happen before KS rewards are given out and we start spending real cash is:

Wipe all accounts of cards, chests, etc.
Give us all a large quantity of plat
Implement the AH (and ideally direct trading)
Do this for as long as necessary to get the AH working properly
Wipe everything again, give out KS rewards, start collecting dollars
It's possible that this is actually the plan; the closed beta email mentioned that we're getting our KS codes "in the near future" while according to Cory the AH is "done or close to done". Thoughts?

Barkam
04-22-2014, 04:01 PM
Agreed. What's 2 more months to do things right, when we already waited a year?

dogmod
04-22-2014, 04:03 PM
Agreed. What's 2 more months to do things right, when we already waited a year?

Money, pressure from publishers, payroll, bankruptcy...

Kami
04-22-2014, 04:43 PM
Auction House is one of those things that I'd probably say is a poor idea to test publicly for security reasons. Given the amount of scrutiny that is required, it's more likely that it would need to be audited in-house and/or by security specialists.

Rendakor
04-22-2014, 05:15 PM
I'm not sure how public testing hurts anything; we're going to get to see it eventually. Why not let us see it when any bugs that come up don't matter? I'm not asking to test their Credit Card authentication system, just the means of buying cards with plat from each other.

sukebe
04-22-2014, 05:17 PM
Money, pressure from publishers, payroll, bankruptcy...

I seriously doubt this is the case...

bojanglesz
04-22-2014, 05:30 PM
I'm not sure how public testing hurts anything; we're going to get to see it eventually. Why not let us see it when any bugs that come up don't matter? I'm not asking to test their Credit Card authentication system, just the means of buying cards with plat from each other.

Tester sees a bug that can be exploited, doesn't report it, uses the bug first day to do some bad shit. I dunno, but I kinda agree it should be in-house only.

hex_colin
04-22-2014, 05:32 PM
If you're really worried about it not working as expected, you can wait a few days and see how things pan out.

Me? I'll be diving in Day 1 buying up all of those juicy sub-$1 Set 1 Boosters! ;)

fido_one
04-22-2014, 05:33 PM
Tester sees a bug that can be exploited, doesn't report it, uses the bug first day to do some bad shit. I dunno, but I kinda agree it should be in-house only.

This.

YourOpponent
04-22-2014, 05:47 PM
I doubt they have the money to wait long enough until monetization. Over one million was spent on the art alone. Honestly I'm surprised that they haven't done monetization sooner than they have...not because the game is ready enough (because it isn't) but because it takes that much money to get a game like this going.

dogmod
04-22-2014, 05:56 PM
I don't see why people think it is better to have it tested after money is already in... Its not a choice of

1. Do not at all test it in house then release it in alpha without money before then switching to closed beta with money hoping that kind souls will report any bugs

vs

2. Thoroughly test it in house then release it to closed beta with money (Hoping that they caught everything in house)

... The option that people here are advocating for is

3. Thoroughly test it in house then release it to alpha without money (Hoping that they caught everything in house)... Then: hoping that kind souls will report any bugs. Then switching to monetized beta.

Now obviously this argument is outside of the fact that crypto clearly needs money but I don't see how you can argue that option 3 doesn't provide the best chance to catch all game breaking bugs which is what people are advocating for when they want the AH available prior to monetized beta.

Gwaer
04-22-2014, 06:10 PM
People keep saying that we're going into beta because cze needs money... I don't see that as clearly as others are suggesting... The game is at a point that it will pass for a monetized beta. I've been in much less polished monetized betas honestly.

dogmod
04-22-2014, 06:13 PM
People keep saying that we're going into beta because cze needs money... I don't see that as clearly as others are suggesting... The game is at a point that it will pass for a monetized beta. I've been in much less polished monetized betas honestly.

The implication being that those less polished monetized betas weren't in that state because of financial issues at their respective companies?

A thought is that they are currently in process of implementing AH in house, will thoroughly test it then utilize the Alpha servers to have a public test prior to release on beta when they feel that they have found all the bugs they can in house.

fido_one
04-22-2014, 06:37 PM
I'm agree with Gwaer that CZE being out of development money is pure speculation.

On a greater hand is 'as soon as CZE can start making money from Hex it should start making money from Hex' seems good business regardless of their financial state.

2.5 million plus of development money and over 3 years of development, I think CZE is going to be very, very thoughtful with how it releases the AH. If they were in such dire financial straits that they were to release the AH half cocked and potentially sacrifice their most loyal KS fanbase to it, I'm pretty sure they would first go with some sort of other pre-beta money generating scheme (which they have proven to be quite good at) before gambling the trading economy of the whole kit-and-caboodle.

Rendakor
04-22-2014, 06:38 PM
I doubt they're going to use the alpha servers as those are scheduled to come down when beta starts.

Yoss
04-22-2014, 07:06 PM
A not-very-large dev team can easily eat up $50k per week. 50 weeks at that rate and $2.5M is gone.

Kami
04-22-2014, 07:11 PM
A not-very-large dev team can easily eat up $50k per week. 50 weeks at that rate and $2.5M is gone.

You also have to realize that CZE's funds do not come from only the KS - they do have other sources of revenue. There's also still a very large reserve of funds from the KS that are not utilized yet.

Last I recall, they've been very careful managing the funds. And a good chunk of it is still untouched from the KS.

Ali3nSan
04-22-2014, 07:12 PM
A not-very-large dev team can easily eat up $50k per week. 50 weeks at that rate and $2.5M is gone.

He hit the bank once already in KS video I am sure he can do it again :)

On serious note:

Hex if short of cash could easily bring back slacker backer beta accounts or even bigger rewards obviously not like the KS rewards but anything from buying booster boxes at 10% off etc

Not worried at all :) Trust Cory and CZE to have done what should be done before cash is bought in.

Do wish they had authenticator type app or at least 2 factor authentication because it won't be long till people cry hacker or are hacked...

Kami
04-22-2014, 07:17 PM
Do wish they had authenticator type app or at least 2 factor authentication because it won't be long till people cry hacker or are hacked...

This part actually does concern me since some of the tiers are quite expensive.

Supposedly every single item/card/etc is trackable in the game so in the worst case scenario, you could roll back everything for a very precise subsection of affected players.

BenRGamer
04-22-2014, 07:21 PM
Well, Cory did say that they... pretty much ran out of money for marketing and is going to rely on word of mouth and be almost evangelical about it, or something those lines, didn't he?

Rendakor
04-22-2014, 07:23 PM
Do wish they had authenticator type app or at least 2 factor authentication because it won't be long till people cry hacker or are hacked...Good call. Might need a new thread just to see when we're getting authenticators.

Well, Cory did say that they... pretty much ran out of money for marketing and is going to rely on word of mouth and be almost evangelical about it, or something those lines, didn't he?First I've heard of that; have a source?

Xenavire
04-22-2014, 07:27 PM
Thats not technically correct, Cory said they didn't set aside much for marketing, all the other money is more or less accounted for (but that doesn't mean they spent it. They could be sitting on a million still, with plans for every cent.)

ossuary
04-23-2014, 06:27 AM
First I've heard of that; have a source?

Cory's interview with hextcgpro. But Xen is right, he said the money was accounted for, not spent. It doesn't mean it's NOT spent, but it doesn't automatically mean it IS, either. :)

Thrawn
04-23-2014, 07:10 AM
I'm agree with Gwaer that CZE being out of development money is pure speculation.

Almost everything anyone is saying about any part of Beta in this (and most) threads is pure speculation at this point.

YourOpponent
04-23-2014, 07:14 AM
He hit the bank once already in KS video I am sure he can do it again :)
Do wish they had authenticator type app or at least 2 factor authentication because it won't be long till people cry hacker or are hacked...

If I recall correctly authenticators are available as soon as Closed Beta comes out.

AstaSyneri
04-23-2014, 07:22 AM
First of all: If CZE needed any money, I am quite sure they'd be able to get it on the open market. The interest in their product definitely is there, and they do have other assets.

At the same time having a continuous cash flow does make sense, business-wise. After the Slacker Backer is gone, I am sure they'd like to start it again, although it will trickle before it flows: Too many boosters are already paid for.

As for security: If you are really worried, why don't you record any "critical" transactions? Fraps isn't that expensive, and there are some free alternatives as well, AFAIK. Even without that, making a few screen shots isn't that difficult either.

IF anything happens, I am sure that CZE will always be very generous to make up for any problem that has its origins on their side.

Rendakor
04-23-2014, 07:24 AM
I'm not worried about losing a few dollars worth of plat; I'm worried about a dupe bug or something creating a lot of bad press, ruining the economy and requiring a messy rollback

Sergan
04-23-2014, 07:35 AM
I'm not worried about losing a few dollars worth of plat; I'm worried about a dupe bug or something creating a lot of bad press, ruining the economy and requiring a messy rollback

same here..
that is my main concern..