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Incindium
04-23-2014, 10:11 PM
Whats the best Starter Deck to select initially? Guess I would want one that having multiple copies of it would work the best since I'll be getting others as well when redeeming my King rewards.

ArcaneWeapon
04-23-2014, 10:13 PM
Not really a best.... Each of them plays differently, it depends on the style you like most.

joseph5185
04-24-2014, 03:16 AM
I personally like shin'hare no matter how "weak" it is.. =P

Kroan
04-24-2014, 03:18 AM
If the lists are correct that I heard yesterday, the orc starter deck has the most valuable rare's (Te'talca and Gore feast)

Eierdotter
04-24-2014, 03:25 AM
when i checked the description list last night before the beta, the orc deck had, Endbringer, Claw of the Mountain God and Unmerciful Tormentor in it.

Kroan
04-24-2014, 03:28 AM
when i checked the description list last night before the beta, the orc deck had, Endbringer, Claw of the Mountain God and Unmerciful Tormentor in it.

Oh. So maybe they changed it again :P Anyone know the rare's of all decks?

Idus
04-24-2014, 03:30 AM
Here's the deck lists http://hextcg.com/starter-decks/

As ArcaneWeapons says, it's basically whatever you like most. They all have some good cards and some bad cards. I picked Orcs because I like the playstyle, but aggro isn't working too well in the meta.

Kroan
04-24-2014, 03:45 AM
Oh so it seems that the Orc deck does include Te'talca and Gorefeast. Most likely the most value right there.

Silent
04-24-2014, 03:48 AM
While not tradable, its still possible to use those cards in other decks, right?

Kroan
04-24-2014, 04:10 AM
Yes

malloc31
04-24-2014, 04:13 AM
in the alpha client they nerfed the orc deck like eierdotter said. So most likely it's not best any more. Humans had Living Totem that may be the most useful. But none will be OP, so take what you like.

Kroan
04-24-2014, 04:17 AM
in the alpha client they nerfed the orc deck like eierdotter said. So most likely it's not best any more. Humans had Living Totem that may be the most useful. But none will be OP, so take what you like.
The beta has the lists on the frontpage I'm assuming. So it's still the best.

incitfulmonk21
04-24-2014, 04:36 AM
You only get to select your first starter then after that they just give 1 of each. Yes orc has gore and dwarves have droo so really either of those is a good choice but I found the Dwarves Droo to be more useful across multiple decks.

joseph5185
04-24-2014, 04:38 AM
But none will be OP, so take what you like.

Of course not... they are STARTER decks.

Silent
04-24-2014, 05:22 AM
You only get to select your first starter then after that they just give 1 of each. Yes orc has gore and dwarves have droo so really either of those is a good choice but I found the Dwarves Droo to be more useful across multiple decks.

Best card in the dwarves deck is "Master Theorycrafter". You'll see him raise to the top, just wait for it! :D

incitfulmonk21
04-24-2014, 06:15 AM
Best card in the dwarves deck is "Master Theorycrafter". You'll see him raise to the top, just wait for it! :D

I personally love master theorycrafter. Sadly he just has a time and a place that isn't hey I have an 8/8 beater with crush for 5 and no threshold requirements.

joseph5185
04-24-2014, 06:45 AM
I kinda love Elimination Specialist and I think Scrap Welder is damn good also.

Hieronymous
04-24-2014, 06:49 AM
nvm mispost

joseph5185
04-24-2014, 06:53 AM
nvm mispost

lol, was a bit confused there. It's all good. Guess all this Beta buzz is messing with people a little bit.

Hieronymous
04-24-2014, 06:55 AM
Yeah, for a moment I thought I was in the "favorite card" thread :P I picked Dwarf for my starter without really knowing what I was getting and I'm happy with the choice. Dwarf decks are fun to play and the Unstoppable Walker is more versatile than Gore Feast.

DanTheMeek
04-24-2014, 07:08 AM
Darn, I didn't even think of the fact that my initial starter wouldn't be one of my KS ones but would be the free non-sellable non-tradeable one. If I had, I may have chosen differently. As others in the thread did, I picked orcs largely because of gorefeast, with the addition of Te'talca being what pushed it over the top when compared to say the Human's Living Totem or the Dwarves Droo. The shin'hare are definitely the most lacking starter, no impressive rare and the deck itself only only a handful of cards that were even in my best alpha Shin'hare deck. My ultimate goal for constructed is to re-create my alpha shin'hare deck, but this starter doesn't even give me a very good starting point for doing so. The dwarves are the most synergetic, with no card really standing out as "why is this here" like the orcs shadow grove and zombie vulture, human's guard dog, or shin'hare's gigantisaur and boulder brute. I'm kind of surprised the orcs didn't have some dark spire enforcers in place of one of the afforementioned non-orcs, since he's the kind of sub-curve vanilla orc that you're probably not going to use outside of draft unless you don't have any other choices, but he fits the them a lot better, especially with the 3 Darkspire Prietess.

So back to the initial question, I'd say you can't go wrong with humans, orcs, or dwarves, all have strong stratedgies with at least 1 really good rare, and you can't trade you're rares anyway so its not really something worth agonizing over. Shin'hare are probably the most questionable choice here, do to their lack of just generically good rare, but I assume CZE thoroughly tested them all against each other to make sure they all could compete consistently so if you're not planning to get anymore cards for a while even they would probably serve you fine, and if you ultimatley want to build a blood bunnies deck, it does come with two of blood bunnies key rares so there's that.

Lolzgreekmyth
04-24-2014, 07:47 AM
I personally would go with either Shin'hare, and just overwhelm my opponent or Go with Dwarves and overwhelm my opponent lol:cool:

SilverDirewolf
04-24-2014, 08:01 AM
Hmm, I wasn't really thinking long term, and picked Shin Hare. Didn't realise it was one of the "weaker" decks. I had fun with it the two games I got in before servers went down.

Whenever they give out the tokens for the other Starters, what other two should I go for? I guess Dwarves and Orcs, for the better rares than Humans?

mightygerm
04-24-2014, 08:01 AM
@DanTheMeek

Does the human deck have living totem in it? Its not mentioned on the website.

Vorpal
04-24-2014, 08:18 AM
I don't think it does. I picked the human starter and it had adamanthian elite, benjamin, and lodegan.

Kroan
04-24-2014, 08:21 AM
It doesn't. It has Lord Benjamin, Prophet of Lodegan and Hero of Adamanth

Tirc
04-24-2014, 09:02 AM
It had living totem in the alpha starter set. Really bummed to see it was dropped. Maybe it will be in the KS starter decks if they are different. If so I wish I had taken the Orc deck with my non KS starter... Oh well

Showsni
04-24-2014, 09:28 AM
Shin'Hare does have triple Murder in, which is a staple common. It is still only a common, though, so probably easy to get elsewhere. Any of the decks look like a fine starting place to make a tribal themed deck from, though.

SilverDirewolf
04-24-2014, 09:49 AM
Shin'Hare does have triple Murder in, which is a staple common. It is still only a common, though, so probably easy to get elsewhere. Any of the decks look like a fine starting place to make a tribal themed deck from, though.

Yeah, triple Murder is nice. (Video games, the only time when such a phrase is acceptable)

Managed to get a fourth from one of the two boosters I managed to open.

mudkip
04-24-2014, 10:22 AM
If you had a tournament with all 4 starter decks, I expect the results would be:

1. Orcs
2. Dwarves
3. Humans
4. Shin'hare

incitfulmonk21
04-24-2014, 10:26 AM
If you had a tournament with all 4 starter decks, I expect the results would be:

1. Orcs
2. Dwarves
3. Humans
4. Shin'hare

Probably this with a case to be made switching orcs and dwarves.

Thraeg
04-24-2014, 10:43 AM
I forget from the KS, are the 4 starter decks we get with rewards in addition to the one free ? So do we have two copies of whichever freebie we pick, and should pick the deck we like most and want extra copies of the rares from? Or is it four including the free one, in which case we should pick the deck we like the least and don't care that the rares won't be tradable.

Xenavire
04-24-2014, 10:52 AM
I can already answer this - I have 2x dwarves and 1x everything else as a king backer. Obviously, I chose dwarves as my free deck.

Daer
04-24-2014, 10:52 AM
Free Starter + 4

Thraeg
04-24-2014, 10:55 AM
Thanks.

Ertzi
04-24-2014, 10:59 AM
I'm going the 'three Murders' route simply because they can go in so many decks. However, like I have stated before, I will be buying all the starter decks just so I can support Crypto and hasten the development of PvE :D

So it really makes no difference to me. But Shin'hare decks are fun.

mudkip
04-24-2014, 11:07 AM
I'm going the 'three Murders' route simply because they can go in so many decks. However, like I have stated before, I will be buying all the starter decks just so I can support Crypto and hasten the development of PvE :D

So it really makes no difference to me. But Shin'hare decks are fun.

They're common cards though. If you're patient to play some drafts or wait for the AH, you'll be able to get them for next to nothing.
Even if you open up some more packs to fill out your decks you'll probably get a decent amount of murders.

Xenavire
04-24-2014, 11:15 AM
It really comes down to the rares:
Dwarves - Ingenuity Engine, Droos Unstoppable Walker, Master Theorycrafter
Orcs - Gore Feast of Kog’Tepetl, Te’talca, Orc Gladiator, Endbringer
Humans - Hero of Adamanth, Prophet of Lodegan, Lord Benjamin, The Wise
Shin'Hare - Onslaught, Mushwocky, Wretched Brood

So quickly boiling it down - Dwarves have one purely tribal card, as does the Shin'Hare deck and the Orcs. Humans have 2 tribal rares, which make it the least flexible deck. In terms of raw power, Orcs and Dwarves are a lot more reliable than Shin'Hare.

So those will be the most common picks. Dwarves and Orcs.

LexC
04-24-2014, 11:20 AM
ohh... Now I'm torn between Ork and Shin'hare >_< Mind you I will be getting 3x each starter deck (i think)

mudkip
04-24-2014, 11:31 AM
If the Humans had a few more flyers I'd go for them.

Incindium
04-24-2014, 12:27 PM
So which of the starter decks does having 2 copies of it result in the best deck? Cause I haven't been able to decide which I wanted to select yet.

Vorpal
04-24-2014, 12:49 PM
Isn't the starter deck every account gets non tradeable? So it would be wise to pick up one of each, I think, rather than have doubles of any.

ossuary
04-24-2014, 12:54 PM
I went for the Orc deck, personally, because I prefer to have 4x Throat Cutters available right off the bat. Damn, they are hot. :)

2 Te'Talca and 2 Gore Feast also makes for a pretty sweet deck, especially when you drop in all the doubled up burn spells and the KS reward ragefires... it's a pretty respectable deck right out of the gate, compared to the defaults.

PetyrBaelish
04-25-2014, 12:43 AM
I went with the dwarf for the extra starter deck because I dont see myself drafting many of those cards so easier to get them now. Plus the deck is pretty damn fun.

FabledHeart
04-28-2014, 10:12 PM
If my intention is to approach Hex in the most economically efficient way possible, would it be advisable to get two other starter decks, in order to complement my Shin'hare starter deck, the 25 unopened booster packs, and the additional starter pack to be given later? Would it, instead, be in alignment with my intention to simply allow smart play during Swiss drafting to fill out my collection? In the latter scenario, I could use the money saved for tournament fees.

Any feedback would be helpful. Thank you.

Gwaer
04-28-2014, 10:17 PM
The most economical way to approach the game is probably to buy must have singles on the AH, and draft, don't buy anymore boosters, or open any boosters, once you run out of boosters from drafting+tournament rewards buy boosters on the AH to keep drafting, or if you don't want to draft, just finish buying the rest of the singles you need on the AH to finish your constructed deck.

FabledHeart
04-28-2014, 10:25 PM
The most economical way to approach the game is probably to buy must have singles on the AH, and draft, don't buy anymore boosters, or open any boosters, once you run out of boosters from drafting+tournament rewards buy boosters on the AH to keep drafting, or if you don't want to draft, just finish buying the rest of the singles you need on the AH to finish your constructed deck.

Thank you for such a quick reply. Having spent some time with the Alpha client, my card knowledge is above average; however, as you have more experience than I do, which cards do you consider to be essential?

Gwaer
04-28-2014, 10:35 PM
I've heard tales of a tier 1 deck based around royal falconer as the wincon that has no legendaries in it that will likely be very cheap to build buying singles, or drafting the parts you need since they'll be Rares or less you'll see them pretty frequently I'd think. If I had to guess they're probably talking about a deck very similar to the deck ran by jyntu in this tournament?

http://hextcgpro.proboards.com/thread/377/april-cs-top-deck-lists

RoaRawR
04-29-2014, 12:02 AM
if you can't pick more than 1 deck, pick the one you like over rarity.
rarity value drop fast when you can just buy another deck to get them

BenAndrion
04-29-2014, 05:27 AM
Shinhare runs a bad bitterblossom
bitterblossom is awesome
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME

Hieronymous
04-29-2014, 07:22 AM
I think the cards you get with the Dwarf deck are probably the most versatile overall, just because you get a few artifacts that can fit into other things later.

frychikn
04-29-2014, 07:27 AM
after playing more games against even non starter decks and winning consistently, im gonna have to say dwarf is the best. now for a deck that transitions into competitive play easiest, im not sure, i think a dwarf based deck would get wrecked by any kind of red or black based control. it also feels like a deck type that needs help from set 2. its missing quite a bit of things like low cost robots that are good and a strong 3 drop that doesnt require you to already be winning.

FabledHeart
04-29-2014, 08:36 AM
I've heard tales of a tier 1 deck based around royal falconer as the wincon that has no legendaries in it that will likely be very cheap to build buying singles, or drafting the parts you need since they'll be Rares or less you'll see them pretty frequently I'd think. If I had to guess they're probably talking about a deck very similar to the deck ran by jyntu in this tournament?

http://hextcgpro.proboards.com/thread/377/april-cs-top-deck-lists

Thank you. I've bookmarked this for future reference. To make sure my thinking is correct, I'd slowly piece together the Royal Falconer deck, and then use it to eventually place in, or win, Constructed tournaments?

Also, I do have a couple Primal packs that I received from my Slacker Backer code, which remain unopened. I know Primals are considerably more valuable; however, would you agree that they would have the most utility at this early stage for me, if they were opened?

Hieronymous
04-29-2014, 08:49 AM
Thank you. I've bookmarked this for future reference. To make sure my thinking is correct, I'd slowly piece together the Royal Falconer deck, and then use it to eventually place in, or win, Constructed tournaments?

Also, I do have a couple Primal packs that I received from my Slacker Backer code, which remain unopened. I know Primals are considerably more valuable; however, would you agree that they would have the utility at this early stage for me, if they were opened?


Some people are saving their primals for opening during Gencon when there may be special rewards, but you can't use primals to draft and they contain as many rares and legendaries as (on average) fifteen normal packs, so they're a substantial boost to your collection.

The decklists at that link are good places to start but in order to win you're almost always going to have to innovate to some degree, if only because you're not the only one reading that decklist! Once the AH opens you should be able to get the necessary cards for at least some of those decks fairly easily; past that you'll want to tweak them to your liking or use their concepts as jumping-off places for your own combinations.

Ertzi
04-29-2014, 11:35 AM
Also, I do have a couple Primal packs that I received from my Slacker Backer code, which remain unopened.

Wut? Slacker Backer had Primals?

Xenavire
04-29-2014, 11:39 AM
Wut? Slacker Backer had Primals?

Only lucky procs. None guaranteed.

Showsni
04-29-2014, 02:34 PM
Shinhare runs a bad bitterblossom
bitterblossom is awesome
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME

Sure, Bitterblossom is awesome; but this makes Kobolds, not Scryb Sprites. It's more like... Um... A worse Awakening Zone? A better Breeding Pit? Well, I don't know.

Dreamsweep
09-04-2014, 08:17 AM
Dwarf deck is still the best (most valued)? :)

Kami
09-04-2014, 08:18 AM
Please don't necro very old threads (i.e. >30days).