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hex_colin
04-23-2014, 10:42 PM
Any chance we can have larger quantities of Platinum (e.g. 25000 for $250 and/or 50000 for $500) available for purchase in 1 transaction? Just in case anyone was so inclined and wanted to limit their conversations with Chase about multiple purchases at the same internet storefront one after another... ;)

Cory_Jones
04-23-2014, 10:43 PM
I love you :)

Kami
04-23-2014, 10:44 PM
Any chance we can have larger quantities of Platinum (e.g. 25000 for $250 and/or 50000 for $500) available for purchase in 1 transaction? Just in case anyone was so inclined and wanted to limit their conversations with Chase about multiple purchases at the same internet storefront one after another... ;)

I was thinking the same thing. :P

Especially with currency exchange rates - would rather do it in bulk.

Gwaer
04-23-2014, 10:48 PM
I dislike only being able to spend 100 bucks at a time as well. You missed out of $400 because I was too lazy to purchase 5 times.

stiii
04-23-2014, 10:54 PM
I love how there are others threads just asking more and more stuff then there is this thread :)

Yoss
04-23-2014, 10:55 PM
Gotta love a thread that says TAKE MY MONEY!

hex_colin
04-23-2014, 10:58 PM
I love you :)

:)


I dislike only being able to spend 100 bucks at a time as well. You missed out of $400 because I was too lazy to purchase 5 times.

You'll hand it over tomorrow anyway!


Gotta love a thread that says TAKE MY MONEY!

TAKE MY MONEY EFFICIENTLY! ;)

Hexgo
04-23-2014, 11:04 PM
omg you guys :-D

Raith
04-23-2014, 11:07 PM
You should be buying 500 platinum at a time for $4.99 to save all the extra pennies. :P

I talked myself up to the highest level as well. Not sure I would have gone up to $250 today, but I'm a poor negotiator against myself so it might have happened. It wouldn't matter much since my money will get in there eventually.

saffamike
04-23-2014, 11:08 PM
At least in the UK we get to purchase in 16k plat increments. Plat purchased and VIP sign-up completed :D

Zomnivore
04-23-2014, 11:11 PM
I love you :)

Do they have you on an IV drip yet, holy cow it must've been a long day!

TJTaylor
04-23-2014, 11:20 PM
Yes, please and thank you.

Xexist
04-23-2014, 11:20 PM
What you guys even need platinum for already anyways? (Not that Im complaining!)

Cernz
04-23-2014, 11:21 PM
for tournament buy in?

or for new cards if some guys want to have a good head start ;)

or just for the taste of it :D

saffamike
04-23-2014, 11:22 PM
Hmmm - sweet sweet plat goodness...

Yoss
04-23-2014, 11:22 PM
Constructed ain't free, man.

Gwaer
04-23-2014, 11:23 PM
I'm buying every lotus garden in the game. By force if necessary.

BossHoss
04-23-2014, 11:28 PM
World first race to be an Entrath millionaire and featured on the lifestyles of the rich and famous hosted by Robin Void Leech Phantasm? Im in!

hex_colin
04-24-2014, 12:57 AM
What you guys even need platinum for already anyways? (Not that Im complaining!)

I wasn't kidding when I said I was going to buy up as many cheap Set 1 boosters as I could! ;) Also, chain drafting for weeks and weeks...

Khazrakh
04-24-2014, 01:18 AM
Aye...those 7 free drafts I have won't survive the weekend. Actually I'd be surprised if they lasted till Saturday ;)

elfstone
04-24-2014, 03:02 AM
indeed, I have 4 free drafts, they WILL be gone tommorow if the servers hold up :). then I will make a plat purchase, and start pumping through 155 packs ;)

Xenavire
04-24-2014, 03:19 AM
I am impressed by the options - I hoped for it, but nwver actually expected iDeal (which is essentially direct debit similar to paypal, but much, much easier.)

SilverDirewolf
04-24-2014, 05:30 AM
Haha, glad to see everyone is so into the game!

Though as an argument against larger Platinum options, when the game does launch and there's a large influx of new people (hopefully), such high price options could be fairly intimidating.

gohan661
04-24-2014, 05:56 AM
Ow, a 'I've got more money than you thread' marvellous.

Xenavire
04-24-2014, 05:57 AM
Ow, a 'I've got more money than you thread' marvellous.

People are just excited. I mean I am not exactly well off myself, and I even dropped 5 euros in already.

Khazrakh
04-24-2014, 06:13 AM
Ow, a 'I've got more money than you thread' marvellous.

This rant is actually really undeserved, I wonder how you came to the conclusion that anybody wanted to show off about the money they have or don't have...

gohan661
04-24-2014, 06:14 AM
People are just excited. I mean I am not exactly well off myself, and I even dropped 5 euros in already.

Let's face it, everyone who backed is well off enough to have at least some disposable income and most of us have better-than-average gaming PCs to go along with our love for games. Do we really however need to drag our bollocks over another man's face? You don't get more platinum for buying larger quantities. And any argument about people complaining about multiple purchases will surely happen if you have 5 x 100 or 1 x 500 receipts.

fido_one
04-24-2014, 06:20 AM
Let's face it, everyone who backed is well off enough to have at least some disposable income and most of us have better-than-average gaming PCs to go along with our love for games. Do we really however need to drag our bollocks over another man's face? You don't get more platinum for buying larger quantities. And any argument about people complaining about multiple purchases will surely happen if you have 5 x 100 or 1 x 500 receipts.

First off this:

"Do we really however need to drag our bollocks over another man's face?"

Is something I have to start using in day to day conversation though I'll need to alter it a bit being in the US.

For everything else in your post I still think it's people getting excited about the game - yeah, I guess you can read into it as people flaunting their wealth, but you don't have to read it that way. Actually, just don't read it that way and everyone should be fine.

Kami
04-24-2014, 06:24 AM
Okay guys, before this thread derails, let's just assume there was no malicious intent and that this is a request out of convenience rather than ego.

hex_colin
04-24-2014, 07:05 AM
Ow, a 'I've got more money than you thread' marvellous.

No, it was a serious and legitimate request. The minute I try to process a second charge within minutes from an internet retailer (especially a non-US retailer), I'm likely to get a call from my bank's fraud protection folks. 3 or 4 purchases and it's guaranteed. It's worse with Hearthstone where you only get to buy packs in $40 batches. "Did you authorize these charges?" "What's Blizzard?" "What's a Hearthstone?" I'd prefer not to have history repeat itself.

Also, if you'd spent any time on these forums you'd know that I owe folks literally thousands of packs for one reason or another (mostly to do with community building). Whether I source them from other folks, or buy them direct from CZE, I need a significant sum of Platinum on hand to accomplish that.

TL;DR need money in game to give people free stuff...

Marsden
04-24-2014, 07:16 AM
TL;DR need money in game to give people free stuff...

Ow, a 'I'm more generous than you thread' marvellous.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. ;)

I completely understand the transaction thing. I get that all the time from my bank. "Your spending patterns look suspicious." where suspicious apparently means using my card to buy things online from more than one place a week.

Xenavire
04-24-2014, 07:37 AM
Let's face it, everyone who backed is well off enough to have at least some disposable income and most of us have better-than-average gaming PCs to go along with our love for games. Do we really however need to drag our bollocks over another man's face? You don't get more platinum for buying larger quantities. And any argument about people complaining about multiple purchases will surely happen if you have 5 x 100 or 1 x 500 receipts.

I find that a little insulting, really. I scraped together a king tier, and ate poorly the whole month as a result. My situation has not really improved, and I am literally going to be taking food out of my own mouth to hold tournaments for the community.

I hope to remedy my poor financial situation soon, but if I do not succeed in that, I am going to be in a fairly dire position. In no way am I flaunting anything.

'Everyone who backed is well off' is a horrible assumption.

elfstone
04-24-2014, 08:16 AM
I also, Managed to back a 250 tier, by literally selling an old hobby, Warhammer 40k. Sold my entire collection for a new collection. I am in no way well off :)

TJTaylor
04-24-2014, 08:21 AM
People should try to be less cynical. Especially in a thread started by Colin, who is perhaps the most generous and giving member of a gaming community that I've ever seen.

Having your CC locked down because of a handful of back to back similar charges at an online gaming store is a hassle. It isn't the most fun conversation in the world to explain to a fraud specialist why a 30+ year old man is putting through so many transactions on a video game, trust me. :P But this can happen no matter how much plat you buy as long as it is several transactions in a short time frame. It looks suspicious to CC companies.

Having an option to choose how much plat you want to buy in one transaction would fix that no matter what quantity someone is looking to buy.

jonsnow2000
04-24-2014, 08:25 AM
2 Observations: You can count me in to the "not really well off" camp. And if a year ago, you would have told me that I would spend 250$ on an online Videogame in one lump sum, I'd have declared you a crazy lunatic. The jury is still out if it was a wise decision (depends on the overall success of the game), but similar to Xenavire I just barely managed to scrape the money together.

Secondly, I am a tad disappointed though there are no discounts on Plat if you purchase high amounts at once - pretty much any other online card game I play or have played (Might&Magic, Hearthstone, Solforge...) offers some variation of discount / bonus currency for those who kick in a bit more. Again, not that I could blow 100s of Euros at it, but I would probably have bought more than the 10 Euro worth of Plat I got yesterday.

hex_colin
04-24-2014, 08:29 AM
Secondly, I am a tad disappointed though there are no discounts on Plat if you purchase high amounts at once - pretty much any other online card game I play or have played (Might&Magic, Hearthstone, Solforge...) offers some variation of discount / bonus currency for those who kick in a bit more. Again, not that I could blow 100s of Euros at it, but I would probably have bought more than the 10 Euro worth of Plat I got yesterday.

That was the plan all along. Insanely cheap booster pack prices ($2) compared to the competition, but no discounts (other than VIP).

Gwaer
04-24-2014, 08:29 AM
This isn't a solely f2p game. There needs to be value integrity of packs, which means plat also needs to have value integrity. Discounting plat should never happen. Especially if we want to be able to cash out one day. 1 platinum needs to equal 1 realworld currency as closely as possible.

Westane
04-24-2014, 08:35 AM
I tend to use Bill Me Later to make large purchases (Large for me) where PayPal is applicable. Unfortunately, barring any promotions, in order to get the 6 month no interest option you have to spend at least $250 in a single purchase.

This is a situation where I'd like to be able to spend $250+ in a single purchase.

Yoss
04-24-2014, 09:16 AM
I don't understand why it isn't just a "buy as much as you want at once" thing like the packs are on the in-client store. Anything from $1 up (in $1 increments) should be fair game.

gohan661
04-24-2014, 09:23 AM
I aint going to quote everyone, i just cba.
I said well off 'enough', if you don't have money to feed yourself but still put money on a game I think you need to reassess your priorities. Being poor is not a bad thing, not being able to buy games or packs is not a bad thing. Choosing games over food is a bad thing. Life comes first my friends

Gwaer
04-24-2014, 09:30 AM
People eat way more often than necessary.

Xenavire
04-24-2014, 09:31 AM
I aint going to quote everyone, i just cba.
I said well off 'enough', if you don't have money to feed yourself but still put money on a game I think you need to reassess your priorities. Being poor is not a bad thing, not being able to buy games or packs is not a bad thing. Choosing games over food is a bad thing. Life comes first my friends

We never said that life didn't come first - but this is literally the one game I have no problem spending all my free time on. MMO's tend to get boring very quickly, and TCG's suck if you don't have people to play with. This game fills both of those holes in one go.

I made an assessment, and took a calculated risk. One month of less than healthy eating (which I recovered from) was well worth the investment. I would have pledged more than double, had it been realistic (or possible) to do so.

I would never sacrifice my overall health for a game however - if I constantly have problems scraping together money for food, Hex will obviously be one of the first things I cannibalize/quit. I don't think it will ever come to that, but I am aware it is something I might have to do.

I really think you are just being far too negative and judgmental about all this.

Westane
04-24-2014, 09:33 AM
I aint going to quote everyone, i just cba.
I said well off 'enough', if you don't have money to feed yourself but still put money on a game I think you need to reassess your priorities. Being poor is not a bad thing, not being able to buy games or packs is not a bad thing. Choosing games over food is a bad thing. Life comes first my friends

$happiness1 = (($food + 10) + ($entertainment - 10))
$happiness2 = (($food - 10) + ($entertainment + 10))

if ($happiness1 -gt $happiness2 -and $survival -eq $true) {
Write-Host "Buy games, eat needles, be happy!"
} else {
Write-Host "Buy food, game later"
}

Priorities are relative...

Saeijou
04-24-2014, 09:58 AM
Secondly, I am a tad disappointed though there are no discounts on Plat if you purchase high amounts at once - pretty much any other online card game I play or have played (Might&Magic, Hearthstone, Solforge...) offers some variation of discount / bonus currency for those who kick in a bit more. Again, not that I could blow 100s of Euros at it, but I would probably have bought more than the 10 Euro worth of Plat I got yesterday.

Thats a point i don't understand too. Is it really because of the fact that you will be able to cash out your platinum someday?

And how is it a f2p game, if i can just play with my starter deck and not be able to try out tournaments and stuff.
Maybe for the open beta or release the free account should provide some platinum for test purposes.

Gwaer
04-24-2014, 10:00 AM
PVE is f2p. Beta will not be since there's no PVE.

Marsden
04-24-2014, 10:00 AM
And how is it a f2p game, if i can just play with my starter deck and not be able to try out tournaments and stuff.

PvE is F2P. Not PvP.

Westane
04-24-2014, 10:00 AM
PvP is not F2P. PvE is.

Yoss
04-24-2014, 10:05 AM
Discounting plat should never happen. Especially if we want to be able to cash out one day. 1 platinum needs to equal 1 realworld currency as closely as possible.

At the risk of freezing Hell...

I don't often agree with Gwaer, but this is one of those times.

Saeijou
04-24-2014, 10:13 AM
is that for sure? than i can start buying plat now without waiting for a discount :D

and thanks for the clarification, that just pve is f2p... didn't recognize that

Yoss
04-24-2014, 10:15 AM
Well, since they are doing the silly "4.99" "9.99" instead of 5 and 10, you technically do get a tiny discount by buying LESS at a time. (You save 0.01 per 5 you spend.)

Kami
04-24-2014, 10:17 AM
Well, since they are doing the silly "4.99" "9.99" instead of 5 and 10, you technically do get a tiny discount by buying LESS at a time. (You save 0.01 per 5 you spend.)

Only if you don't factor in currency exchange rates and other variables.

Saeijou
04-24-2014, 10:19 AM
can i acces the plat-page from somewhere else as the game?

Yoss
04-24-2014, 10:20 AM
Only if you don't factor in currency exchange rates and other variables.

True. If there's a per-transaction charge hidden in there, then buying bulk does have a discount implicitly.

Chark
04-24-2014, 10:43 AM
is that for sure? than i can start buying plat now without waiting for a discount :D



I can confirm that bulk purchase discounts is not something we want to implement. We believe that the 2 USD per pack is a fair ceiling for us to set. Of course players in game may sell packs for less, but we won't.

I can also confirm that I'll be talking to Gameforge about offering larger transactions on the site at Colin's (and hopefully others) request :)

hex_colin
04-24-2014, 10:46 AM
I can also confirm that I'll be talking to Gameforge about offering larger transactions on the site at Colin's (and hopefully others) request :)

Thank you! :)

Gwaer
04-24-2014, 10:47 AM
if there's no reason to do the 4.99, 9.99, 99.99 thing is there any way to cut that out? They do have a point that you save 19 cents by buying 4.99 20 times rather than 99.99 once. It's a silly price gimmick, 99.99 is intuitively easier to swallow than 100 from a microtransaction standpoint. But that's not really the way you guys are approaching the situation.

At the very least make it consistent between all price tiers, IE, the 10000 tier would be 99.80

Kami
04-24-2014, 10:49 AM
True. If there's a per-transaction charge hidden in there, then buying bulk does have a discount implicitly.

Well, for example. I have to pay in USD even though I'm a Canadian with CAD. For every transaction, the bank takes a cut of 0.03% at minimum.

Even if they didn't the current exchange rate is 1.10CAD = 1.00USD. Therefore, I am paying $0.10 per transaction (just off the exchange rate) and more importantly, that fluctuates during the day and potentially even by the minute. The more transactions I need to make, the bigger chance of more 'fees'.

So in total, because of bank rates, I'd actually be paying $0.13 per transaction.

TJTaylor
04-24-2014, 10:49 AM
I can also confirm that I'll be talking to Gameforge about offering larger transactions on the site at Colin's (and hopefully others) request :)


Thank you, Chark!

Khazrakh
04-24-2014, 10:55 AM
if there's no reason to do the 4.99, 9.99, 99.99 thing is there any way to cut that out? They do have a point that you save 19 cents by buying 4.99 20 times rather than 99.99 once. It's a silly price gimmick, 99.99 is intuitively easier to swallow than 100 from a microtransaction standpoint. But that's not really the way you guys are approaching the situation.

At the very least make it consistent between all price tiers, IE, the 10000 tier would be 99.80

Very much this!
I know people are psychology more inclined to pay 4.99 than 5.00 but still - it's something that is not YOU and to be honest, it just hurts my head :P

Niedar
04-24-2014, 10:57 AM
Im not sure how it is set up right now but if there are no bulk deals why not just have a few quick option buttons for common transactions amounts and then allow people to type in a custom dollar amount if they choose.

mudkip
04-24-2014, 10:57 AM
I love you :)

People in this thread:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/shut_up_and_take_my_money.jpg

Khazrakh
04-24-2014, 10:58 AM
People in this thread:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/shut_up_and_take_my_money.jpg

Actually you may very well keep talking as long as you DO take my money ;)

Gwaer
04-24-2014, 10:59 AM
I'm more, "keep doing blog posts, and I'll give you more money."

Kami
04-24-2014, 11:54 AM
I'm more, "keep doing blog posts, and I'll give you more money."

I'm just waiting for the Kyle vs Bear fight. :)

dogmod
04-24-2014, 09:37 PM
Anyone else buy money not to spend now but just to keep the Hex wheels greased and support the company with plans to spend it later?

hex_colin
04-24-2014, 10:13 PM
Anyone else buy money not to spend now but just to keep the Hex wheels greased and support the company with plans to spend it later?

Me! Although, I also spent a fair amount too... Must open packs!!! ;)

Ertzi
04-24-2014, 10:16 PM
Yup. I'm gonna buy a ton of packs during the weekend. Started some husks of decks already. Those need some beef and fast :D Cory also needs more beef, so he can polish the game, so everyone wins.

hex_colin
04-25-2014, 10:24 PM
I don't know whether or not to laugh... or cry...

http://imageshack.com/a/img843/3931/tlqv.png

Gwaer
04-25-2014, 10:41 PM
rotflmao, It's for your own good colin.

Rycajo
04-25-2014, 10:50 PM
Colin, you obviously have a problem. This is a Hex support intervention.

I believe it has been stated that plantinum purchases will, at some future date, be handled entirely inside the client. When they move to that point, I imagine the options will be satisfactory.

Ertzi
04-26-2014, 12:11 PM
Hahaha! We should all inspire to get that message. You are my hero, Colin :)

Idus
04-26-2014, 01:36 PM
Bet you didn't know your parents ran Gameforge, hey Colin?

AstaSyneri
04-27-2014, 04:10 AM
Welcome to German Youth Protection laws (or German law insanity in total). I laughed so hard.

Colin, you know you want to be limited in your consumer decisions... don't you? ;-) ;-) ;-)

hex_colin
04-27-2014, 07:01 PM
Almost 48 hours without any sort of response from Gameforge/Gamepay. :( Apparently if you have issues with payments over the weekend you are SOL.

Idus
04-27-2014, 07:42 PM
"Please hold the line. Your call is very important to us. You are number 4876 in the queue"

Keznath
04-28-2014, 03:32 AM
I was wondering for one or 2 things...

1) why is it not more advantageous to buy 1 x 10 000 platinum rather than 10 x 1 000 platinum ?

2) why the fees for draft or sealed tournaments was 1$ (except boosters) at first, and now i can see that the fees are 100 platinum, and 700 platinum is 5 , so the fees for draft or sealed tournaments are 1,4 (about 1,7 $ ?)
...+ 70% !!

I know the model is not ready yet...but it scares me a bit...

Reifu
04-28-2014, 03:43 AM
I was wondering for one or 2 things...

1) why is it not more advantageous to buy 1 x 10 000 platinum rather than 10 x 1 000 platinum ?

2) why the fees for draft or sealed tournaments was 1$ (except boosters) at first, and now i can see that the fees are 100 platinum, and 700 platinum is 5 €, so the fees for draft or sealed tournaments are 1,4 € (about 1,7 $ ?)
...+ 70% !!

I know the model is not ready yet...but it scares me a bit...
1) Because giving bonuses for big purchases destroys the value for everyone that can't do big purchases, which is a very bad thing.

2) I would suggest you do those calculations again, because you clearly did a misstep somewhere. :p

Keznath
04-28-2014, 04:27 AM
2) I would suggest you do those calculations again, because you clearly did a misstep somewhere. :p

You are right...140 platinum for 1€...so that's around 116 plat for 1$ (if 1€ = 1,2 $)...so + 16% ;-)

Reifu
04-28-2014, 05:09 AM
You are right...140 platinum for 1€...so that's around 116 plat for 1$ (if 1€ = 1,2 $)...so + 16% ;-)

1€ = $1,38 today.

So in the US you get 138 platinum for $1,38. In EU you get 140 platinum for $1,38. :D

hex_colin
04-29-2014, 08:30 AM
Hurrah!!! I am no longer barred from making payments! Recommence pack cracking... ;)

Thank you Cory and Kyle!

Cory_Jones
04-29-2014, 08:37 AM
No problem Colin :)

I can actually understand the account freeze, large quantities of Plat being purchased on a new accounts will always be a trigger for fraud suspicion (and right now ALL our account are new), this is actually good for us... my number one concern is protecting the integrity of our ecosystem.

but the response to your ticket time was a bit slower than I would like, but lets give it some time, we are still working out the bugs and wrinkles, and sadly some of those bugs came from us in the CS and GM tools we built... (sorry) BUT its all getting better and soon this will just be another bump that lead to the game we all want :)