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Kitsune
05-02-2014, 12:47 PM
Not the fact that every time you open cards gets you goddess boobs, though that probably isn't helping break us out from the stereotype that card gamers are either teenage boys or middle-aged neckbeards, but the fact that her cleavage is going all the way to the base of her throat. Unless she's wearing a sports bra made of iron and a few sizes too small, that's not how it should look; there should be an inch of sternum above any cleavage. Every time I see that pillar, it just irks me. I can't un-see it.

This is clearly a far more vital issue than tournaments, the overall bad client UI outside of duels, bugs, and missing features, so I have every hope that everything else will be put on hold until this is resolved. Thank you.

blakegrandon
05-02-2014, 12:58 PM
I'm going to need pictures for reference before I weigh in on this one.

GatticusFinch
05-02-2014, 01:02 PM
I'm going to need pictures for reference before I weigh in on this one.

http://www.thresholdpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/WheelofFate.png

Poetic
05-02-2014, 01:08 PM
The thing I always noticed was it looks like some shadow creature is grabbing them...

Gorgol
05-02-2014, 01:13 PM
The thing I always noticed was it looks like some shadow creature is grabbing them...

can't unsee, thanks...

Guap
05-02-2014, 01:13 PM
Lol I have no problem with her boobs, they are very nice...

Guap
05-02-2014, 01:14 PM
The thing I always noticed was it looks like some shadow creature is grabbing them...

Umm yup, it does look like that thanks for pointing that out...

nicosharp
05-02-2014, 01:16 PM
It looks like she has a butt chest. You could easily put a plumber above that crack.

blakegrandon
05-02-2014, 01:28 PM
The thing I always noticed was it looks like some shadow creature is grabbing them...

They really should be tentacles.

Also can the boobs be more pronounced.

Stereotypes need to be adhered to if Hex wants to be a classy game.

Damascus
05-02-2014, 01:35 PM
I always wondered why it was even necessary to have her face/chest on some awkward looking thing with gears and water that takes up the entire screen and is somehow used to open packs. I mean, if you need cleavage in the mix that badly just throw some wavy, particle-effect version of her in the background or something. The pool of water/place you drag the packs should be dead-center of the screen, not up at the very-very-very top in order to have room for random stuff

GatticusFinch
05-02-2014, 01:40 PM
They really should be tentacles.

Also can the boobs be more pronounced.

Stereotypes need to be adhered to if Hex wants to be a classy game.

I am fighting the urge to Photoshop a Russian bride onto there.

blakegrandon
05-02-2014, 01:52 PM
I am fighting the urge to Photoshop a Russian bride onto there.

I will give you one ruble if you do such awesome.

I mean platinum, I will give you one platinum for your efforts.

Maybe a russian bride surrounded by pics of "pop up" ads.

MrSeriousBsns
05-02-2014, 04:21 PM
Done

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh609/Gemfuller/WheelofFate-RussianBride.png (http://s1254.photobucket.com/user/Gemfuller/media/WheelofFate-RussianBride.png.html)

Niedar
05-02-2014, 04:31 PM
Great work.

Miyordon
05-02-2014, 04:33 PM
That is pretty amazing. I have not opened any of my boosters yet, but a Russian bride may tempt me to do so.

Freebird_Falcon
05-02-2014, 04:53 PM
Done

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh609/Gemfuller/WheelofFate-RussianBride.png (http://s1254.photobucket.com/user/Gemfuller/media/WheelofFate-RussianBride.png.html)

heyyy, wait a minute! She's not Russian, she's Columbian!

MrSeriousBsns
05-02-2014, 04:57 PM
heyyy, wait a minute! She's not Russian, she's Columbian!

What you mean, tovarish? Is real Russian bride! Even comes with platinum wodka!

Just click on the link

Niedar
05-02-2014, 05:01 PM
heyyy, wait a minute! She's not Russian, she's Columbian!

You didn't think this stuff was real did you? It is all a scam.

GatticusFinch
05-02-2014, 05:02 PM
You didn't think this stuff was real did you? It is all a scam.

Dat free plat tho

Bells
05-02-2014, 05:58 PM
Dude.... every time i see an armored female with navel showing, every time i see a non-mammalian female with boobs and every time i see the infamous ''armor bra'' o know i'm deep in fantasy land.

Sadly, that's how artists learned their craft... very few can actually develop great art without posing side boob, under boob or just a naked back or side of a female when a female is needed to in art or when you want the player to feel attracted to something in your desgin.

Don't take with with malice... it is not there. But that is just fantasy design... for better or for worst.

Sometimes it makes for some unbelievably amazing art. One of my favorite arts from MTG is Basandra. It's just STUNNING, gorgeous artwork. Look at this shit...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dro2IZRh9hk/T3xXBftyu8I/AAAAAAAABYQ/H8DOH8vA2uQ/s1600/Basandra%252C%2BBattle%2BSeraph.jpg

It has everything i just mentioned, but it super works... it matches the theme of the card, it's balance, matches the flavor and the setting... so it's good. I find it very tasteful. There are SEVERAL other angels in MTG that are not nearly as well composed as Basandra.


My point is... that's usually what Fantasy art boils down to. For better or for worst. But i hope you don't find the art concepts sexist or anything like that... i don't even know if we have an expressive female player base here, but their input would also be quite nice...

As long as Hex Designs remain tasteful, matching the setting and the presentation of the game and the cards... i wouldn't mind Kismet or any of the other Hex Females looking ''overly boobylicious'' i just want the artwork to be beautiful and well composed.

...except for any Bra Armor. Because that design is just dead right fucking stupid.

Deathfog
05-02-2014, 06:42 PM
The boobs could be upgraded to be more rounded or just lowering the cut off instead of cutting off the breasts partially. Either way yes there is more for improvement in her boobs.

Mike411
05-02-2014, 06:44 PM
The thing I always noticed was it looks like some shadow creature is grabbing them...

Cannot unsee!

Kitsune
05-02-2014, 07:29 PM
The odd thing is that the concept art for Kismet has not-weird cleavage, so it's not part of her design:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-t5b43naA9W0/Uw_XCOtfFkI/AAAAAAAAAwo/FM4sqRgQBz4/s1600/Kismet-the-Primal-of-Luck.jpg

She does have a marked lack of nipples to be able to wear that dress without crossing PG-13, but I guess if a goddess wants to not have nipples and wear a slinky outfit, who're we to argue?

Bells
05-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Dude how is that not cleavage? It totally is.

Also, there is the navel line there for ya...

She has a very ''bayonetta'' thing going for her where her clothing must be living tissue to be possible, her breasts are clearly squeezed together

Zomnivore
05-02-2014, 08:52 PM
I would just like to add, that a moderate or realistic sized breasted female being sexy in a game, is far less of a guilty conscious feeling when you enjoy the breasteses.

Its wholesome to know that enjoying a nice pair of boobs isn't causing some girl a mental break down because of unrealistic standards of beauty.

...Oh, its a goddess? Well **** unrealistic standards of beauty are benchmark for gods'essessesssesssss...then it becomes a matter of judging if you like what the standard used to judge perfection says about you or what you say about your community by making something that you think appeals to them.

OH NO!!! Social commentary ahhhhhhhhh!

Oh what a world! Where we have important issues subtly brought up in a game oh what a cruel fate that games can be immature and yet still mature enough to host such serious matters of social dilemma.

(I don't think its a big deal is the point)

ossuary
05-02-2014, 09:39 PM
I find it sadmusing (tm) that it's totally fine to have a problem with this "artwork" because it's tacky and lame, but god forbid anyone try to suggest it might be offensive or objectifying. Then the flaming starts.

MasterN64
05-02-2014, 09:56 PM
Its only an issue when people call it objectifying and offensive because in the end its just cleavage. In no way is it turning women into trophies or telling them all to stay in the kitchen or some other stupid idea. Its just cleavage. Its not some kind of commentary about how women are oppressed or somehow putting people down. Its just cleavage.

Is it a little tacky? Sure. Offensive? Only if you have a stick the size of a sequoia shoved up your ass.

Masquerade
05-02-2014, 10:06 PM
I don't normally agree on these things as large chested females seem to part of any sort of fantasy game, but this is just tacky. I totally agree on the Basandra point, there's angel with boobs and good artwork and then there's this which is...well, just "look, boobs." I mean, I'm not going to complain about shirtless ripped men in games making me feel like I don't look sexy enough even if there are plenty of unrealistic male characters, so likewise, large chested fit females, I've just kind of taken as a norm. That said, this is clearly boobs for the sake of boobs and just seems like bad taste.

So yeah, I don't mind large chested girls, but do them like Basandra and less like porn.

Bells
05-02-2014, 10:08 PM
so i guess we can all agree that Kissmet fountain must be changed in the next patch to a huge, throbbing male bulge.

ursa23
05-02-2014, 10:26 PM
so i guess we can all agree that Kissmet fountain must be changed in the next patch to a huge, throbbing male bulge.

Fabulous!

WildStyle
05-02-2014, 11:13 PM
Jesus where is the problem? Stop staring at the statues tits! First world problems guy stares at tits and states that they look weird. :D

Zomnivore
05-02-2014, 11:13 PM
If Mancubus was packing heat and featured on the podium, I wonder if it would draw in some women.

Wonder if people would be willing to bite the bullet on that one ahahah.

*** the problem isn't that we stare at the breastseses, its that they're so big that we feel guilty about it.

Thats my take on it at least. I mean, jeez ladies ain't got a chance to match that umph, much sympathy.

Also apparently the dress doesn't have enough detail so it looks like groping shadow hands...which is always fun :)

Kitsune
05-02-2014, 11:28 PM
I'm intensely amused that it only took three pages before people failed to bother reading the OP's 'her breasts look weird and kinda ugly on the podium' and have made it 'her breasts objectify women'. You go, masters of reading comprehension!

Women have boobs. A statue of a woman is going to have statue boobs. Plenty of the greatest statue women ever have no statue clothes and their statue boobs are just sorta out there. Plenty of the greatest statue men ever also have no statue clothes and their statue wangs are also just hangin' out. As long as Kismet is tasteful as part of the podium, that's great. But her boobs are ooky and look rather like plumber's crack, as some poster pointed out, which is not very tasteful. If you're going to stick a woman on the podium, at least make her look like everything is positioned where it ought to be on a woman.

Makizushi
05-03-2014, 12:28 AM
I always wondered why it was even necessary to have her face/chest on some awkward looking thing with gears and water that takes up the entire screen and is somehow used to open packs. I mean, if you need cleavage in the mix that badly just throw some wavy, particle-effect version of her in the background or something. The pool of water/place you drag the packs should be dead-center of the screen, not up at the very-very-very top in order to have room for random stuff

Hear hear! Focus on the cards and chests, not the rather awkwardly designed, overly-present cleavage. The ones that go up to her collar bone and as wide as her arms. Those.

Zomnivore
05-03-2014, 12:29 AM
I'm intensely amused that it only took three pages before people failed to bother reading the OP's 'her breasts look weird and kinda ugly on the podium' and have made it 'her breasts objectify women'. You go, masters of reading comprehension!

As long as you feel superior all is well :)

I mean someone having a problem with the appearance of a certain pair of boobs, compared to another isn't similar at all to the topic at hand...

Perhaps maybe that the breasts on the podium look unrealistic?

:)

(Personally I think artists need to feel comfortable doing anything, just like a comedian doing jokes needs to know that there aren't any limits...but like played out jokes, seeing the same form of hotness everywhere is boring.)

ossuary
05-03-2014, 06:04 AM
I'm intensely amused that it only took three pages before people failed to bother reading the OP's 'her breasts look weird and kinda ugly on the podium' and have made it 'her breasts objectify women'. You go, masters of reading comprehension!

Maybe you should try a little reading comprehension yourself, since I'm the one who brought it up. I was referring to a previous conversation, and lamenting the fact that it's apparently not okay to disagree with the "oh wow boobs!" crowd unless it's to say the boobs aren't realistic enough. You're actually reinforcing EXACTLY what I was talking about with my comment, by ignoring or dismissing the idea out of hand.

Objectification and marginalization do not require conscious effort; in fact, they foster far more strongly in an environment of casual dismissal and disregard.

Khazrakh
05-03-2014, 06:17 AM
Not again...

Zomnivore
05-03-2014, 06:22 AM
not again...

We Have To Go Back, Kate!

ossuary
05-03-2014, 06:50 AM
We Have To Go Back, Kate!

... I swear to god, I never thought I would actually see a reference to LOST again in my lifetime. I want my 7 years back, Abrams!

Pezzle
05-03-2014, 07:32 AM
Statue Boobs!

Zomnivore
05-03-2014, 07:34 AM
... I swear to god, I never thought I would actually see a reference to LOST again in my lifetime. I want my 7 years back, Abrams!

Can you believe people actually thought it was going to make sense? Hah!

Rendakor
05-03-2014, 07:47 AM
Maybe you should try a little reading comprehension yourself, since I'm the one who brought it up. I was referring to a previous conversation, and lamenting the fact that it's apparently not okay to disagree with the "oh wow boobs!" crowd unless it's to say the boobs aren't realistic enough. You're actually reinforcing EXACTLY what I was talking about with my comment, by ignoring or dismissing the idea out of hand.

Objectification and marginalization do not require conscious effort; in fact, they foster far more strongly in an environment of casual dismissal and disregard.
If you want to rehash the old discussion, maybe you should bump the old thread or make a new one instead of passive-aggressively derailing this one.

Pezzle
05-03-2014, 08:00 AM
Also, Kitsune is right, the statue person has body structure issues. It is not just the Boobs. That entire screen is a little wrong for a few reasons. Just gimme cards, less animations!

nicosharp
05-03-2014, 10:06 AM
To be completely honest. I agree 100% with the OP, and think the art and display location for the kismet pack opening screen is off. I like the kismet design concept in the full rendered version, but the way it looks now is pretty awkward. Even if she plays a big part in the PvE story of Hex, It makes little sense to PvP pack cracking. It makes 100% to PvP/PvE chest rolling/etc, when the screen moves.

hex_colin
05-03-2014, 10:12 AM
Even if she plays a big part in the PvE story of Hex, It makes little sense to PvP pack cracking. It makes 100% to PvP/PvE chest rolling/etc, when the screen moves.

She's the Primal of Luck! :) Who doesn't want the Primal of Luck on your side when you're trying to get the cards you want?

Bells
05-03-2014, 10:18 AM
i have nothing against animations. i like it. i like the flair, i like each pack opening feeling like a little event... i don't want this to turn into a MTGO environment with uggly excell looks.... i love that they took the work, time and effort to pull this like this. i really do. So stop complaining about the little things Crypt put in place because i assure you they are not doing it just for themselves... they are actually trying to do a little extra for us, working in little cool animations and trying to make each part of the game a bit more unique. That is awesome and worthy of respect from us, even if we disagree with it, alright?


Also, can we just take a second here to agree in one thing.... ? Because i don't think it's right for us as a community and in this thread to be shitting on the artist here. it's not fair, so let's no do it ok?


I think we can agree that the art itself is fine. Kissmet looks fine. She has the very basic essential ''fantasy epic female'' look. And if that's what the artist was going for, he succeeded. However, what it is pointed out here... is exactly that, she feel slightly out of place for being just a fantasy epic female with a huge cleavage...

Kissmet itself is original Mythology within the Hex mythos... she is originally a concept of Islam for Fate, and it's related to the fates of Greek Mythology... which is where she ties to our boosters, she defines their ''fate'' and by proxy, ''ours'' by define what cards we get (and therefore, how we play).

And let's take a quick look on how Kismet is created in OTHER unniverses... she is also a character in both MARVEL and DC

How does Kismet look in Marvel?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/77/180882-125804-kismet.jpg

Generic Hot Space Babe from the 80's ... Onesies with crotch grab, side boobs, cleavage, useless belt and ''armor''... it's a comic book character, no doubt.

And how does Kismet look in DC?

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101013040701/marvel_dc/images/f/f2/Kismet_001.jpg

Just a flat out green naked space lady with a cape for some reason...


Compared to OUR kismet? We are doing fiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

My one criticism is that to me at least... she does not represent visually, fate. Destiny. The cards in our packs... she is a big boobied shadow lady. She is much more close to NYX than fate, really... with a huge cleavage.

Considering the card theme of the game, i would expect something more akin to Romani mythology. Gypsys. Tarot! Feels like it would draw from a much more relatable and interesting concept pool visually... no?

nicosharp
05-03-2014, 10:29 AM
She's the Primal of Luck! :) Who doesn't want the Primal of Luck on your side when you're trying to get the cards you want?
She must be different on my client. I haven't had any luck there.

hex_colin
05-03-2014, 10:34 AM
She must be different on my client. I haven't had any luck there.

Me too - I'm riding a 0.02% chance streak of not having seen a Legendary in 75+ packs. Such is life... Damn you, Kismet!

Aradon
05-03-2014, 11:00 AM
Damn you, Kismet!

Whoa whoa, with an attitude like that, you'll ruin your luck for life!
As for me, I'm hanging dozens of tapestries in my keep in her honor. I'll fend of whatever other primals I may anger, but Kismet's one I'm not willing to mess with :P

Edit on topic: I do agree, that the cleavage seems to stretch too far up towards her neck. This isn't an argument about too much cleavage, this is an observation about 'the arm looks too short because the foreshortening isn't quite right' or 'the torso is too long compared to the rest of her body.' Take my observation with a grain of salt, as I'm no artist, but it doesn't seem like I'm the only one who thinks so.

TJTaylor
05-03-2014, 11:06 AM
She never said she was a goddess of good luck. :)

hex_colin
05-03-2014, 11:10 AM
Whoa whoa, with an attitude like that, you'll ruin your luck for life!

3 packs later she came through for me with a Wrenlocke. Clearly, we've been doing it wrong - you need to take her name in vain! ;)

Aradon
05-03-2014, 11:14 AM
3 packs later she came through for me with a Wrenlocke. Clearly, we've been doing it wrong - you need to take her name in vain! ;)

You'll never tempt me, blasphemer!

DuroNL
05-03-2014, 11:54 AM
The thing I always noticed was it looks like some shadow creature is grabbing them...
Thanks, this image will keep haunting me every time i open packs now :P

as for the OP post, perhaps they can lower the cleavage line? :P would make it look more natural i guess...
on the other hand, she is a goddess right? so normal anatomy wouldn't necessarily count for her!

Kitsune
05-03-2014, 01:27 PM
as for the OP post, perhaps they can lower the cleavage line? :P would make it look more natural i guess... on the other hand, she is a goddess right? so normal anatomy wouldn't necessarily count for her! Dropping the line slightly and changing the end to more of a Y-shape would probably make a marked improvement in the podium's appearance. 'Cause goddess or not, the statue just looks sort of funky at the moment.

EntropyBall
05-03-2014, 07:22 PM
I've always thought the same thing as the OP. It seemed like if you just cropped the concept art the same distance from her chin, it would look different, but you actually see even more boob that way. I think maybe on the statue her boobs are just too wide. Whatever the case, I agree it just looks off.
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Revoluketion
05-03-2014, 07:59 PM
haha this comment is perfect.

Erde
05-03-2014, 09:34 PM
In this thread: People complaining about lack of realism in a virtual card video game.
Also the cleavage does not go to her throat. Look again. Either you are exaggerating on purpose or you might need glasses. Maybe it is the shadow hands pushing them together? Anyway, it does look off, but not anyway as dramatic as the OP is trying to claim.

It is almost like this thread was made for controversy's sake. :/

Fachxphyre
05-04-2014, 12:15 AM
I, for one, welcome our new pixel mammary overlords! (overmistresses?)

Zomnivore
05-04-2014, 12:32 AM
Meh, not worth the effort.

There's no real argument to be had that anyones going to give a crap about.

Label social justice bull if you want, but there was a legitimate point that this is typical hotness and its boring and uninspired.

***

Now back to the important criticism of a statue, and its shadow rendering tech creating an awkward disconnect for some people between boobs, and butt crack.

Ravallian
05-04-2014, 02:06 AM
Sexes or not, I'm going to have one sexy sleeve design for my custom one!

Dropbear
05-04-2014, 04:59 AM
1764

Yes, it could be edited a bit, but seriously THIS ISN'T A HUGE ISSUE. THE ORCS HAVE HUGE CHESTS AND NONE OF YOU WERE SJW ABOUT THAT.

If this is the worst pandering we have, then jesus seriously that's not that bad, it's pretty goddamn tame.

EDIT: I want a full body statue with her holding a bowl of mystic water for the packs to go into, the cards flying around her body into the air before being shown off. Someone get on that.

jimmywolf
05-04-2014, 05:01 AM
Sexes or not, I'm going to have one sexy sleeve design for my custom one!

when it does happen post a pic, am interested see how it turns out. i would have loved to pledge that tier but was bit much for me, i would have did maybe a shadow warrior type sleeve.

Dropbear
05-04-2014, 05:08 AM
when it does happen post a pic, am interested see how it turns out. i would have loved to pledge that tier but was bit much for me, i would have did maybe a shadow warrior type sleeve.

I'm waiting for My Little Pony sleeves. Or Pokemon TCG sleeves. On a Yu-Gi-Oh mat.

YourOpponent
05-04-2014, 06:00 AM
It is sad how many seem to be insecure over Kismet. I'm a guy, but I don't go feeling inferior by Mancubus...in fact I often think, "Ha mancubus. You are so rarely used by the ladies and more often used by the guys instead." Jokes aside I'm not bothered by shirtless guys with ripped abs either. I think more people need to get over their sexuality and to instead go for art appreciation in life.

Bells
05-04-2014, 11:42 AM
1764

Yes, it could be edited a bit, but seriously THIS ISN'T A HUGE ISSUE. THE ORCS HAVE HUGE CHESTS AND NONE OF YOU WERE SJW ABOUT THAT.

If in the lore of Hex Orcs are identified as being Mammalian then there is no problem with this at all... but put on a Lizard woman with tits and i'll tell ya... that's just dumb design.