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katkillad
06-18-2015, 02:17 PM
Personally I think 10 minutes is better, but at least can we go back to the fifteen minutes for deck construction? I don't think I've seen a single person say 15 minutes isn't long enough. ( Although I'm sure someone will in this thread. ) I can understand needing 20 minutes for sealed, but for limited it's just overkill.

I know i'm not the only one who feels this way. I guess to make this thread have some constructive discussion, if you are a newer player do you feel like you need the entire 20 minutes?

hex_colin
06-18-2015, 02:25 PM
+1, at least for Competitive

Fyren
06-18-2015, 02:28 PM
+1, at least for Competitive

Ditto; I've heard it said a few times that Swiss should be allowed to take their time and Competitive should move faster, a higher output/time being the principal benefit of Competitive. If 15 wasn't enough for newer players, so be it. Let Swiss have 20. But many Competitive drafters basically have their decks built by the time the draft finishes and only need to cut a few cards. Add the current not-insignificant incidence of AFKs who'll just take the entire time regardless, and cutting that to 15 minutes doesn't seem insane.

ghulzen
06-18-2015, 02:29 PM
I agree. Also, I'd love if it was made more clear that users should drag and drop their pick. If everyone did that, there would be less waiting. It wasn't until months after playing that I realized this. I was just clicking on my selection, forcing everyone to wait the full length of time for each pick.

israel.kendall
06-18-2015, 02:29 PM
It's like 5 minutes out of a 3-4 hour thing, so impatient lol. But I really don't care if it's 15 or 20 either way myself.

Svenn
06-18-2015, 02:29 PM
Another vote from me. I can't remember the last time I spent more than about 2-3 minutes building a deck in draft.

Use the bin! Your deck is already built (or close to built) when the drafting ends.

Fyren
06-18-2015, 02:29 PM
It's like 5 minutes out of a 3-4 hour thing, so impatient lol. But I really don't care if it's 15 or 20 either way myself.

Not every issue raised on the forums is a game-breaking worldshaker. :p

RobHaven
06-18-2015, 02:31 PM
I'm on board with the OP.

Thoom
06-18-2015, 02:31 PM
Another vote from me. I can't remember the last time I spent more than about 2-3 minutes building a deck in draft.

Use the bin! Your deck is already built (or close to built) when the drafting ends.

90% of the time this is true, but maybe 1 out of 10 drafts I have some seriously hard choices to make that I agonize over for the full duration.

Still, 15 minutes is more than enough time.

katkillad
06-18-2015, 02:34 PM
+1, at least for Competitive

I could get behind this, having it 15 or less for Comp and 20 for Swiss.

Personally I never need more than 5 minutes at the absolute most, usually only need 2-3 minutes. I think the average player doesn't need 20 minutes for deck construction. I can see the concern for new players so 20 in swiss makes sense.

Zophie
06-18-2015, 02:38 PM
90% of the time this is true, but maybe 1 out of 10 drafts I have some seriously hard choices to make that I agonize over for the full duration.

I know the feeling there, although in that 90% of the time I get my deck built right away I still kind of like that extra time to mentally prepare myself for the upcoming match. I'm not that great at drafting and I still get a bit nervous every time I go into one. Maybe having less time is better cuz it's like ripping the bandaid off and getting it over with :D

Shadowflame
06-18-2015, 02:46 PM
I don't think I've seen a single person say 15 minutes isn't long enough.

If someone's using 20 minutes, then I guess they need it... If nobody needed it, it would start by 15 minutes in since everyone would have saved...

Thoom
06-18-2015, 02:47 PM
If someone's using 20 minutes, then I guess they need it... If nobody needed it, it would start by 15 minutes in since everyone would have saved...

Or they're just AFK.

Svenn
06-18-2015, 02:48 PM
If someone's using 20 minutes, then I guess they need it... If nobody needed it, it would start by 15 minutes in since everyone would have saved...

Or someone is building a deck, then going and doing other stuff for 15 minutes making everyone wait...

Raith
06-18-2015, 03:38 PM
Agreed. 15 minutes is plenty of time to build a deck in draft. The longer timer just encourages people to go do other things without saving since the expectation is that someone is going to burn a lot of time.

magic_gazz
06-18-2015, 03:51 PM
Totally needs to be lower.

I like 10 myself, but 15 is ok

Dinotropia
06-18-2015, 05:01 PM
I would also like to say that I would love a shorter deck building period. I will sometimes use that time as a streamer, but that is mostly to interact with the stream and almost never necessary for the deck building process.

Yoss
06-18-2015, 05:10 PM
I am good with 15 minutes. (I am not good with 10 minutes.)

Xenavire
06-18-2015, 05:15 PM
I could take either 10 or 15. 20 is just being abused atm. I don't think I have had more than one draft in two months start before the final 2 mins (and most of those were the timer running out.)

Often the hardest part of the deckbuilding portion is choosing my sleeves...

Selanius
06-18-2015, 05:38 PM
STRONGLY agree with 20 minutes being too long.

Zophie
06-18-2015, 05:41 PM
I vote to change it to however long Gwaer wants the timer to be, per draft.

TOOT
06-18-2015, 05:52 PM
10 for competitive draft should really be implemented. Part of competitive draft, should entail building your deck in a reasonable timeframe. 10 minutes is plenty of time as it is, especially now that the deck/bin automatically sorts itself once you leave the drafting screen going into deckbuilding.

Newer players generally flock to swiss and could use the time so I can understand keeping it.

Barkam
06-18-2015, 05:57 PM
10 min timer for draft competitive.

Mahes
06-18-2015, 05:59 PM
15 is fine. This has been brought up before with no response as too why it went back too 20.

Voormas
06-18-2015, 06:49 PM
I usually save my deck after about 1 minute and just sit twiddling my thumbs for the rest of the time; 10 minutes would be ideal for me but 15 would also be acceptable, 20 is just weird

Thrawn
06-18-2015, 06:54 PM
10 seconds per pick, 5 minutes to build.

Xenavire
06-18-2015, 06:57 PM
10 seconds per pick, 5 minutes to build.

10 secs per pick is too extreme, even for me, and I pick fast. This sounds like a fun idea for a new mode though... Speed drafting.

Thrawn
06-18-2015, 06:58 PM
10 secs per pick is too extreme, even for me, and I pick fast. This sounds like a fun idea for a new mode though... Speed drafting.

I can't take credit, Cirouss has mentioned the idea and I find it interesting.

Gwaer
06-18-2015, 07:02 PM
I'd love a speed draft format that is 10 seconds to pick 5 minutes to build, that pops up a couple times a week or month. If it were up to me I'd have the comp draft deck building be 11 minutes and 41 seconds, and Swiss draft deck building be 18 minutes and 27 seconds.

Xexist
06-18-2015, 08:15 PM
10 min timer for draft competitive.

10 minutes is about 5 too many for my taste!

*Unless I need a pre-match poop. Then Im good with 20.

Gwaer
06-18-2015, 08:16 PM
10 minutes is about 5 too mant for my taste!

*Unless I need a pre-match poop. Then Im good with 20.

Just remote your tablet into your PC, I've done many a draft on the toilet.

Barkam
06-18-2015, 08:17 PM
10 minutes is about 5 too mant for my taste!

*Unless I need a pre-match poop. Then Im good with 20.

This is why I want 10 minutes. Gotta always have the pre-match potty.

Barkam
06-18-2015, 08:18 PM
Just remote your tablet into your PC, I've done many a draft on the toilet.

PM me instructions!

Xexist
06-18-2015, 08:31 PM
Just remote your tablet into your PC, I've done many a draft on the toilet.

^ what he said. I used to use LOGMEIN, when they were free... now I dont know of really any good streaming solutions (preferably free)

You should write a tutorial

Zophie
06-18-2015, 08:36 PM
I use Google Remote Desktop with my android tablet. You can also try TeamViewer.

Gwaer
06-18-2015, 08:38 PM
Teamviewer is free for personal use, I prefer splashtop for hex, I just like the controls better, I think it's still free as long as you're on a local network with the machine you're remoting into, otherwise it has some BS monthly fee to connect. There are also a large assortment of vnc clients available for ios, and android that will work with any computer but those take a bit more setup and might actually need a tutorial, the rest of it is just point and click.

schild
06-18-2015, 09:34 PM
Standard 10-15 minutes would absolutely be ideal. 10 for damn sure in competitive.

However, I think if everyone has submitted except for idle people, it should auto-submit if they've been idle for 5 minutes or more.

Cernz
06-18-2015, 09:47 PM
20 way to long
10 would be great
15 might be the choice

;)

elfstone
06-18-2015, 10:36 PM
im ok with 15. A compromise might be having it at 20 during something like release weekend, let people get used to the new cards :)

Kamino72
06-18-2015, 11:55 PM
20 minutes way too long, but why not for swiss format.
15 minutes max.
10 minutes better.
Speed drafting could be a good idea.

Ariathor
06-19-2015, 02:42 AM
Agree with the 10 minutes for competitive please. In my last 50 drafts I think I have only used more than 10 minutes once or twice, most of them taking around 5 minutes. I would prefer having to hurry a bit in one or two drafts than having to wait the extra 10 minutes in the other 48.

Another argument why comp should have 10min while swiss should have 20 is that it's a larger percentage of the time used. On average, a player entering competitive might spend around 75min on it (since half the players lose after round 1 and only 2 players play three rounds). 10min is a large part of it. On the other hand, a player entering swiss will probably spend at least 2 hours, possibly more on it, so spending an extra 10min on it isn't as bad.

wolzarg
06-19-2015, 03:05 AM
I could do with 2 minutes but honestly as long as its lower than 20 i will be happy.

dbug
06-19-2015, 03:17 AM
+1 10min would also be fine. But 20 is wayyy to long

Graydeath
06-19-2015, 04:20 AM
I started playing Hex only 2 week ago, i have done 7-8 draft in this time and it never took me more then 10 minutes to make the deck, so i think 15 it's more then enought even for new player.

Jonesy
06-19-2015, 05:52 PM
+1 to 10 min comp, 15 min swiss (though really I don't care about swiss, its just what makes sense to me). Nobody takes 20 minutes unless they are afk (uh, do that on your own time, not mine) or, considering how many 145 card deck perm afk people I meet in the first round, dbags who are too lazy to leave after raredrafting or are hoping to increase their bye chance by making everyone wait.

The_Lannisters
06-20-2015, 01:36 AM
10 minutes for deck building would be way more than enough. The current 20 minutes just encourages people to go and make some coffee/tea or w/e.

Cirouss
06-20-2015, 06:57 AM
I am definately giving a +1 here. In swiss the chance of new players is a lot higher and it can stick to 20 minutes. But I am mentioning it often enough on my streams that 20 minutes are way too long. Usually it takes me about 1 min to 3 min to build my deck as I presort using the bin, so the deck is build quickly.

So swiss can stay 20 min in my oppinion, but competetive should be 15 min IMO.

Severim
06-20-2015, 07:15 AM
+1

I have mentioned it several times as well. Competetive Drafts should drop to 10 minutes I think, most people build the deck as they go using the bin for cards not being played. In most cases i would never need more than 3 minutes to build a deck.

Although this may not be as big an issue moving into set 3 because for some reason I get the feeling people will be playing gauntlets more than drafts xD!

Also... Love Gauntlet!!!

Malicus
06-21-2015, 05:43 PM
Yeah any drop in the build time for competitive would be appreciated. A few of the pick timers could do with shortening too I think. Speed draft also sounds like a fun format.

theghost32
06-21-2015, 05:46 PM
they dropped the timersback to 15 minutes n the test realm which is very appreciated

Mr.Funsocks
06-21-2015, 09:44 PM
5 minutes imo. I don't think I've ever gone over that. The notion that you need more than that much time to build a deck when you've been drafting cards to build a deck, making decisions all along, is a little silly.

Kramer
06-21-2015, 11:48 PM
I am all for 10 minute timer, but would settle for 15 minutes. Anything less than 20 minutes would be a benefit to all in Comp Draft.

Cernz
06-22-2015, 12:41 AM
just for info - the draft timer on the test server was at 15 again (if i remember right) ;)

Wolframheart
06-22-2015, 01:22 AM
20 Minutes is way to long, I'd be happy with 10 and even 15 is a step in the right direction.

mujrim
06-22-2015, 08:40 AM
Another vote from me. I can't remember the last time I spent more than about 2-3 minutes building a deck in draft.

Use the bin! Your deck is already built (or close to built) when the drafting ends.

This^^

I'm not even that versed in TCGs at this point, last one I played with any frequency was the Battletech TCG in the mid-90s, but I rarely need more than a minute or two to gem, add resouces and a champ and double check what I binned.

What is it that people are doing for even 10 minutes in draft deck construction?

Mr.Funsocks
06-22-2015, 02:57 PM
I don't use the bin, seldom play drafts, and it still only takes me 2-5 minutes to make a draft deck. You should be making decisions/evaluations as you choose your cards. You should know what 15-20 of the cards are that are going into your deck by the time you make your last pick easily. Then it's pretty easy to decide on another 5 or so, and you have a few minutes to figure out what your last few cards to keep/get rid of are, throw some resources and gems in, pick a sleeve, and save.

N3rd4Christ
06-22-2015, 03:51 PM
Back to 15 or even down to 10 plox!

Jemy000
06-22-2015, 09:14 PM
Sitting here in a draft, after building my deck in 3 minutes and waiting 15 more (soon it will start!), I really really hope the timer is changed. 10 minutes would be plenty of time for comp draft.

chromus
06-22-2015, 09:29 PM
10 minutes for comp., 15 or 20 minutes for swiss. +1

Ariathor
07-02-2015, 10:59 AM
This really really needs to happen. Especially lately it seems like every draft goes to 20 minutes.

katkillad
07-02-2015, 12:40 PM
Well I was wrong in my original post, nobody posted saying they prefer the 20 minutes except for the one person calling us impatient.

I don't know why it was changed, I'm wondering if it wasn't intentional and it's just something they never fixed.

Fyren
07-02-2015, 12:46 PM
Well I was wrong in my original post, nobody posted saying they prefer the 20 minutes except for the one person calling us impatient.

I don't know why it was changed, I'm wondering if it wasn't intentional and it's just something they never fixed.

Y'know, I almost bet it's because they changed all the timers at once, and Sealed could take 20 minutes to deckbuild properly since you have to figure out your pool in the first place.