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Roy_G
07-30-2015, 01:23 PM
Please post your arena runs loot and convocation numbers in this thread so we can find out the drop rate.
With enough information we can find it out.

Kami
07-30-2015, 01:33 PM
1x 2013/2014 per full arena run.
2x 2014/2015 per full arena run.

So far, that's my average. Each full arena run (4 tiers) takes me <45mins and that's on the high-end.

magic_gazz
07-30-2015, 01:37 PM
With those number better to play arena over draft.

Oli
07-30-2015, 01:41 PM
2 runs, 1 2013/14 pack.

Khazrakh
07-30-2015, 01:43 PM
1 run 0 packs ;)

israel.kendall
07-30-2015, 01:44 PM
Better to play arena over proving grounds as well as limited, due to the time both could potentially suck up.

yoyogod
07-30-2015, 01:46 PM
2 runs 1 2015 pack

Khendral
07-30-2015, 01:51 PM
1 Run (20-0), 1 2015 Pack.

FreezingPhoenix
07-30-2015, 01:53 PM
7 runs, 0 packs

Graydeath
07-30-2015, 01:54 PM
2 runs (15) 2 2015 pack
1 run (20) o pack

Xexist
07-30-2015, 01:59 PM
1x 2013/2014 per full arena run.
2x 2014/2015 per full arena run.

So far, that's my average. Each full arena run (4 tiers) takes me <45mins and that's on the high-end.

Sounds like you were lucky!

Xenavire
07-30-2015, 02:00 PM
Are the packs generated instead of loot drops you get? If so, these 'run' stats mean practically nothing, we need to know chest amounts instead. :p

Poetic
07-30-2015, 02:10 PM
Nice to see arena having decent drop rates since most of the pack contents are PVE.

Zophie
07-30-2015, 02:10 PM
1 full run, 1 2015 pack (dropped on first tier)

Alamand
07-30-2015, 02:14 PM
Are the packs generated instead of loot drops you get? If so, these 'run' stats mean practically nothing, we need to know chest amounts instead. :p

I've only seen them drop in place of the boss loot chest (mainly from screenshots), so I'm not sure if the number of chests actually matters.

Anyway, 1 full run, 1 2013/14 pack from 2nd tier boss.

Xenavire
07-30-2015, 02:18 PM
I've only seen them drop in place of the boss loot chest (mainly from screenshots), so I'm not sure if the number of chests actually matters.

Anyway, 1 full run, 1 2013/14 pack from 2nd tier boss.

Interesting, it it only replaces the basic loot drop, then theres nothing wrong with the data. Was curious about DC etc though.

Halsey
07-30-2015, 02:25 PM
Sounds like a great drop rate over all to me. No certainty with one or two runs, but if someone wants to farm them all week, they should be fairly confident they'll get a few, I was afraid the 13/14 packs were going to be absurdly rare. Now if I could just get home and verify the rates myself :-}

As to better than tournaments, really depends, no guarantee in the Arena, in the tournaments, you're going to get a 2015, and your skill will determine how confident you are about picking up 13/14 packs.

Khazrakh
07-30-2015, 02:38 PM
2 runs 0 chests (both 20-0)

w00dy101
07-30-2015, 02:46 PM
2 15 battle runs
1 20 battle run

0 Packs

UmberEternus
07-30-2015, 02:48 PM
3 15 Battle runs
1 2013/14 pack (2nd run 4th tier boss)

Mejis
07-30-2015, 02:54 PM
I'm mid-run on my first go, but I just got 1x 2015 pack from a perfect tier 1.

Xexist
07-30-2015, 02:54 PM
Interesting, it it only replaces the basic loot drop, then theres nothing wrong with the data. Was curious about DC etc though.

As far as I can tell DC *DOES* work with this.

szimek
07-30-2015, 03:07 PM
4 runs:
1 x 2015 (T4)
1 x 2013/4 (T2)

Thrawn
07-30-2015, 03:09 PM
As far as I can tell DC *DOES* work with this.

I don't think I've seen a screen shot yet, or experienced, a pack drop that replaces one of the DC drops.

Roy_G
07-30-2015, 03:11 PM
1 run,10 loot,0 packs

Second run lost in t3,2 bosses,2 13/14 packs

Xexist
07-30-2015, 03:12 PM
I don't think I've seen a screen shot yet, or experienced, a pack drop that replaces one of the DC drops.

Well maybe I dont understand how it works.. the pack is supposed to 'replace' drops?

I assume if you get 2 packs from one boss, that is because of DC.

Stormlight
07-30-2015, 03:12 PM
It can definitely replace both the boss loot drop and the perfect loot drop (bonus loot drop still doesn't seem to be dropping for me). I haven't yet seen it replace my DC loot drops, but my overall drop rate so far is 6/8 non-DC possibilities were replaced... it seems possible that it's "replacing from the top" so to speak, so my real drop rate is 6/16 (and I'll never see it replace a DC unless more than half of the drops on that tier get replaced).

Obliviate
07-30-2015, 03:46 PM
1x 2013/2014 per full arena run.
2x 2014/2015 per full arena run.

So far, that's my average. Each full arena run (4 tiers) takes me <45mins and that's on the high-end.

What are you using for your deck/equipment?

If you don't mind me asking.

Uffdah
07-30-2015, 03:57 PM
5 full runs (2 perfect) + 13 T1 only runs (9 perfect).

No packs.

Xexist
07-30-2015, 04:01 PM
5 full runs (2 perfect) + 13 T1 only runs (9 perfect).

No packs.

Yuck, bad luck :/

Daer
07-30-2015, 04:02 PM
T4 Boss only - 2015 Pack
1 Full run - 2x 2015 Pack

Just starting another full run this dropped from Eternal Guardian:

http://i.imgur.com/P6swMYT.jpg

harmis
07-30-2015, 04:03 PM
1 full run.

1 2013/2014 pack.
1 2015 pack.

Flyleaf
07-30-2015, 04:05 PM
2 full runs, 0 packs

IrishBattousai
07-30-2015, 04:10 PM
1 full run so far 2 2015 pack at t1 and t4

Caldera
07-30-2015, 04:10 PM
6 arena bosses so far = 1 2014 pack.

harmis
07-30-2015, 04:13 PM
Side question: Are we supposed to be able to list Convocation packs on the AH? I listed a 2015 one, but couldn't find it (or any other convocation pack) in any search I did.

israel.kendall
07-30-2015, 04:22 PM
Side question: Are we supposed to be able to list Convocation packs on the AH? I listed a 2015 one, but couldn't find it (or any other convocation pack) in any search I did.

Just search chests, they are all listed there. Don't put anything in search filter.

Thrawn
07-30-2015, 04:23 PM
Well maybe I dont understand how it works.. the pack is supposed to 'replace' drops?

I assume if you get 2 packs from one boss, that is because of DC.

In every instance of 2 packs I've seen it is replacing a regular drop and a perfect tier drop. Unless it is setup that all of your drops are rolled and it just replaces starting with "regular" drops first which we have no way of knowing. I think the only way we could be sure DC can roll packs without confirmation from Hex is if someone gets 3 or more packs on one tier.

Xexist
07-30-2015, 04:29 PM
In every instance of 2 packs I've seen it is replacing a regular drop and a perfect tier drop. Unless it is setup that all of your drops are rolled and it just replaces starting with "regular" drops first which we have no way of knowing. I think the only way we could be sure DC can roll packs with confirmation from Hex is if someone gets 3 or more packs on one tier.

Gotcha! Thanks for that

HitoZ
07-30-2015, 04:30 PM
Did 4 runs, skipped tier 1. Not all of them were perfect, town crier bug or some shard screw. I got 2013/14 and 2015 packs on 2 separate runs, from Xarlox on tier 2. Xarlox didn't give me a pack when I got him on tier 4, so there goes my theory of 100% drop from him.

TL;DR
Did 4 runs, skipped tier 1
Got 2 packs, 2013/14 and 2015

IrishBattousai
07-30-2015, 04:33 PM
Convocation packs can be found in the Auction House under the Chests Tab

N3rd4Christ
07-30-2015, 05:00 PM
Convocation packs can be found in the Auction House under the Chests Tab


TY!

Bloodslave
07-30-2015, 05:18 PM
1 full run
3 skipped tier 1 runs

0 packs

5th run
1 2015 pack

current MLE = 1/16 chance per boss

FlyingMeatchip
07-30-2015, 05:55 PM
First Run, 2013/14 pack
skipped first tier and lost a couple.

IronPheasant
07-30-2015, 05:57 PM
2 runs. Skipped tier 1. A single loss in Tier 2 in both.

0 Packs.

Tirc
07-30-2015, 06:06 PM
1 run, 18 wins (2 perfect tier clears)

6 chests, 0 packs

Mejis
07-30-2015, 06:31 PM
2 runs. Skipped tier 1. A single loss in Tier 2 in both.

0 Packs.

I know it's just rng, but I wouldn't skip tier 1. It's so quick to do it and you should land a perfect tier each time. I got a 2015 convo pack from a perfect tier 1.

Zophie
07-30-2015, 06:50 PM
I know it's just rng, but I wouldn't skip tier 1. It's so quick to do it and you should land a perfect tier each time. I got a 2015 convo pack from a perfect tier 1.

Yeah Tier 1 seems to have just as good of a chance as the rest from what I've seen so far, almost thinking it might be faster to just grind tier 1 over and over. Only downside is no chance at Uruunaz then.

LeMazing
07-30-2015, 07:14 PM
Yeah Tier 1 seems to have just as good of a chance as the rest from what I've seen so far, almost thinking it might be faster to just grind tier 1 over and over. Only downside is no chance at Uruunaz then. Yeah, the Uru chance is just enticing enough that I'm probably farming the full Arena.

On an interesting note, you can open the packs even if you haven't finished your run yet.

Mahes
07-30-2015, 07:36 PM
The real question, what is everyone getting in thier packs?

Oroniss
07-30-2015, 08:17 PM
The real question, what is everyone getting in thier packs?

This is what I want to know too. Specifically, how common are the AAs?

Mejis
07-30-2015, 08:28 PM
This is what I want to know too. Specifically, how common are the AAs?

I only got one 2015 pack this morning over breakfast, but it had the Storm Queen (if that's the correct name) equipment boots. Would have preferred a card over equipment of course, but I'm not going to sniff at hitting a pack so quickly.
Will hopefully get more time tonight to have another go, but if not then the weekend calls :D

Daer
07-30-2015, 10:18 PM
T4 Boss Only - 1x 2015 Pack
Full Run 01 - 2x 2015 Pack
Full Run 02 - 2x 2015 Pack, 2x 2013/2014 Pack
Tier 1 Only - 0 Packs
Full Run 03 - 1x 2015 Pack, 1x 2013/2014 Pack
Tier 1 Only - 0 Packs
Full Run 04 - 2x 2015 Pack, 1x 2013/2014 Pack

Contents:

Brosi-Buk x2
Gax
Jovial Pippit AA

Cloud King x 2
Cloud Queen
Storm of the Century x2
Cloud Queen Boots x2
Cloud King Weapon

Fyren
07-30-2015, 10:30 PM
T4 Boss Only: 2015 pack (Boss tier imperfect)
Full Run 1: 2x 2015 packs (Perfect)
Full Run 2: 0 packs (1 imperfect tier)
Full Run 3: 1x 2015 packs (1 imperfect tier)
Full Run 4: 1x 2015 Packs (Perfect)
Full Run 5: 0 Packs (Perfect Run)
Full Run 6: 0 Packs (2 Imperfect tiers)
Full Run 7: 0 Packs (Perfect Run)
Full Run 8: 1x 2015 packs (Perfect Run)

Negative Dungeon Crawler

1 x Equip(Storm of the Century)
1 x Equip(Cloud Queen)
2 x Cloud Queen
1 x AA Storm Cloud

Will update as I actually get proper time to run.

IronPheasant
07-30-2015, 10:35 PM
1 lewt drop. 1 2015 pack.

Very abbreviated run, that one.

Vorpal
07-30-2015, 11:52 PM
Full run, 6 chests, no packs. Not even a 2015 one.

Xexist
07-31-2015, 12:10 AM
So grinding arena. This happened.

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zyk1g7.jpg

Skirovik
07-31-2015, 12:24 AM
So grinding arena. This happened.

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zyk1g7.jpg

You totally got this man! I believe in you!

Also, T4 boss only - 0 drops

szimek
07-31-2015, 01:07 AM
not sure if someone mentioned it earlier, but 2 packs from 1 boss are possible ;]

IronPheasant
07-31-2015, 01:23 AM
Maybe we should just give chest drops + pack drops.

2 lewt bags. Zero packs.

Yeah, not a good day. ZODIAC SHAMAN got a win off me. Because he had the command tower challenge, a bukkake of dudes, and Turbulence. Time to uninstall maybe.

Fyren
07-31-2015, 01:25 AM
Because he had the command tower challenge, a bukkake of dudes-

Isn't most bukkake a bukkake of dudes?

Hadry
07-31-2015, 01:49 AM
2 full runs, 0 packs *sad* I think i didnt get any bonus loot, but i wasnt paying attention to it. I only remeber normal boss loot and some perfect tier loot.

Larux
07-31-2015, 02:21 AM
3 full runs and 1 2015 pack. It dropped from third tier boss.

Edit: And yeah forgot to say. Since someone was interested what we get as drops. I got the "Storm of the Century"

Cernz
07-31-2015, 02:36 AM
1 perfect run - 3x 2015 packs

DanieZiltoid
07-31-2015, 03:49 AM
2 or 3 (sorry, don't remember) Tier 1 only runs - 2x 2015 Packs

bootlace
07-31-2015, 03:59 AM
They need to tweak these prize payouts because as it stands it's really a bad idea to play draft/gauntlet instead of arena. Assuming a winning draft takes minimum 3 hours and you win 50% of tournaments you enter, that's still 6 hours for a 2013/2014 Pack. That's the equivalent of 10 arena runs which will probably net you WAY more rewards.

Something's off here...

Khazrakh
07-31-2015, 04:17 AM
They need to tweak these prize payouts because as it stands it's really a bad idea to play draft/gauntlet instead of arena. Assuming a winning draft takes minimum 3 hours and you win 50% of tournaments you enter, that's still 6 hours for a 2013/2014 Pack. That's the equivalent of 10 arena runs which will probably net you WAY more rewards.

Something's off here...

Or, you know, 0 packs if your ingame name happens to be Trenzalore ;)

Poetic
07-31-2015, 04:31 AM
Seems fine to me, it's all RNG. Some will be luckier than others. Plus most of the contents are PVE stuff anyway.

Assassine
07-31-2015, 04:40 AM
What decks are you using for arena, and how long does a run take you? i feel like i take way too long for a run.

RamzaBehoulve
07-31-2015, 05:53 AM
They need to tweak these prize payouts because as it stands it's really a bad idea to play draft/gauntlet instead of arena. Assuming a winning draft takes minimum 3 hours and you win 50% of tournaments you enter, that's still 6 hours for a 2013/2014 Pack. That's the equivalent of 10 arena runs which will probably net you WAY more rewards.

Something's off here...

It's even worse to play Random Opponent Proving Ground...

vickrpg
07-31-2015, 06:27 AM
2 full 20 fight runs -> 1 2015 pack (First run T1)

Edit: up to 10 full 20 encounter runs, 2 2015 packs.
Played 7 drafts (lost almost all 1st round, the rest second round) for an aditional 7 2015 packs.

They contained: 6 Cloud Queens. 3 Equipment for Cloud KING.

Mahes
07-31-2015, 06:39 AM
1 15 full clear, perfect run -> 1 13-14 pack...Portensio of Avon Mercenary.

Did not realize they dropped Mercs.

nickon
07-31-2015, 06:47 AM
Did not realize they dropped Mercs.

They do: https://www.hextcg.com/hex-update-the-convocation/

N3rd4Christ
07-31-2015, 07:53 AM
20 Clear 1 of each pack from 1st boss

ksetrat
07-31-2015, 08:19 AM
3 full runs;
1st run - no packs :'(
2nd run - 2x 2015 off tier1, 1x 2015 off tier3 or 4, can't remember.
3rd run - 1x 2015 off tier 3 or 2. can't remember.

items within;
storm king
storm king equip (can't remember which one)
storm of the century
storm queen

Hadry
07-31-2015, 08:53 AM
6 runs after, 1 2015 pack off of the first tier boss. Storm of the century dropped. Atleast i got one finally XD time to keep farming to chase that mercenarys.

hitchslap88
07-31-2015, 10:48 AM
Now i wish i had chosen the jadiim sleeves when i went to gecon, haha.

Xexist
07-31-2015, 11:01 AM
Now i wish i had chosen the jadiim sleeves when i went to gecon, haha.

instead of?

dogmod
07-31-2015, 11:05 AM
Got lucky and got a 2015 and a 2014 in my first arena run, 2015 second boss, 2014 4th boss

hitchslap88
07-31-2015, 11:07 AM
Portensio and Gax.

Xexist
07-31-2015, 11:09 AM
Got lucky and got a 2015 and a 2014 in my first arena run, 2015 second boss, 2014 4th boss

my very very first boss kill, got me a 2014 pack. Like 8 hours of arena later, hadnt seen another.

Ertzi
07-31-2015, 11:37 AM
Okay, grinded all day. The results:

9 Full Arena Runs (no skipping Tier 1). 6 of the runs were perfect 20-0. I used my Slaughtering Gears deck, which can be found in the Strategy section.

11 Convocation 2015 packs.
2 Convocation 2013/14 packs (both Broski Buk, booo).

Can't do it anymore. Eyes hurt and head feels funny :D

Several more days to go.

Xexist
07-31-2015, 11:52 AM
Okay, grinded all day. The results:

9 Full Arena Runs (no skipping Tier 1). 6 of the runs were perfect 20-0. I used my Slaughtering Gears deck, which can be found in the Strategy section.

11 Convocation 2015 packs.
2 Convocation 2013/14 packs (both Broski Buk, booo).

Can't do it anymore. Eyes hurt and head feels funny :D

Several more days to go.

How fast is the deck? Win by turn X?

Ertzi
07-31-2015, 11:56 AM
How fast is the deck? Win by turn X?

Win usually by turn 4. Often on turn 3. Basically OP. And Barkam might already have a better version posted. I will never play Arena with any other deck anymore until I see Uruunaz or there is some kind of event that warrants speed.

ksetrat
07-31-2015, 12:05 PM
Win usually by turn 4. Often on turn 3. Basically OP. And Barkam might already have a better version posted. I will never play Arena with any other deck anymore until I see Uruunaz or there is some kind of event that warrants speed.

saw that deck, looks like a lot of fun. but with me just getting my car out of the shop, no way i can afford such a beast. i'll stick with my psychotic anarchists and Skarn rush for now. Pretty consistent on turn 4 kill. recently though i've been getting the 'wtf is this?' hands where i can't even play a troop til turn 5. *sigh*

Xexist
07-31-2015, 12:08 PM
Win usually by turn 4. Often on turn 3. Basically OP. And Barkam might already have a better version posted. I will never play Arena with any other deck anymore until I see Uruunaz or there is some kind of event that warrants speed.

I been hemmoraging plat like Im a billionaire or something. Too rich for my blood, for now :D

nicosharp
07-31-2015, 12:11 PM
I been hemmoraging plat like Im a billionaire or something. Too rich for my blood, for now :D
Yup, Gauntlet took me from Riches to Rags.
I'm going to find Mike Tyson and feed some Pigeons with him soon.

Ertzi
07-31-2015, 12:16 PM
I been hemmoraging plat like Im a billionaire or something. Too rich for my blood, for now :D

I always say to myself that "now I will not buy plat for a while", but then I am buying it the following week. I truly am weak with HEX :D. And impatient, that is my downfall.

Xexist
07-31-2015, 12:21 PM
I always say to myself that "now I will not buy plat for a while", but then I am buying it the following week. I truly am weak with HEX :D. And impatient, that is my downfall.

I invest in hex the same way I invest in the market IRL.

Buy a bunch of stock in something and watch the price fall.

Hieronymous
07-31-2015, 12:42 PM
Well, slippers of the cloud queen are the common drop I guess. I have like twice as many slippers as I do cloud queens.

x78089
07-31-2015, 12:59 PM
I invest in hex the same way I invest in the market IRL.

Buy a bunch of stock in something and watch the price fall.

LOL, this had me cracking up for almost 20 minutes. Well played!!

Xexist
07-31-2015, 02:43 PM
LOL, this had me cracking up for almost 20 minutes. Well played!!

Haha I wish I was joking :p

thereck
07-31-2015, 03:14 PM
12 runs 6 packs 2 2013/14 4 2016

Prominis
07-31-2015, 04:29 PM
Eight hours, about a full run each hour, one 2015 pack.
Perfect, would do again 10/10.

hex_colin
07-31-2015, 04:35 PM
Eight hours, about a full run each hour, one 2015 pack.
Perfect, would do again 10/10.

WOW, that is brutally unlucky. Did you cheat on Kismet too? ;)

Send me a PM with your IGN and I'll send you something you can't find in the digital packs as a consolation. :)

wolzarg
07-31-2015, 04:46 PM
I got a few packs but they contain glorious storm of the century equps yay >.<...

Mejis
07-31-2015, 05:05 PM
WOW, that is brutally unlucky. Did you cheat on Kismet too? ;)

Send me a PM with your IGN and I'll send you something you can't find in the digital packs as a consolation. :)

You're a true hero of the community Colin :D
Prominus, hope your luck increases. I've had one 2015 pack from 3 runs now, but plan to smash out a lot today.

Largashbur
07-31-2015, 05:08 PM
WOW, that is brutally unlucky. Did you cheat on Kismet too? ;)

Send me a PM with your IGN and I'll send you something you can't find in the digital packs as a consolation. :)

You call that unlucky? I've done 15 arena runs till now and didnt get a single convocation pack. I'm seriously thinking of calling off the search for one...

wolzarg
07-31-2015, 05:09 PM
my significant other got 2x15 1x13/14 in a single run while i did 4x 20-0 and got nothing.

Mr.Funsocks
07-31-2015, 05:15 PM
Pile of terrible aborted runs with the worst luck I've ever experienced, and yet to see a pack...

Prominis
07-31-2015, 05:30 PM
I can tell by reading these comments that everyone's having such a fun time.

I get the feeling less people would have complained if the chance/rate hadn't dropped but had initially been at this level. A great application of the door-in-the-face technique, I must say.

On that note, I'm pretty sure chances of getting a pack dropped although I haven't actually seen the source, I've been told by people who say they were too lazy to post the source which seems entirely trustworthy... right?

Mejis
07-31-2015, 05:34 PM
I can tell by reading these comments that everyone's having such a fun time.

I get the feeling less people would have complained if the chance/rate hadn't dropped but had initially been at this level. A great application of the door-in-the-face technique, I must say.

On that note, I'm pretty sure chances of getting a pack dropped although I haven't actually seen the source, I've been told by people who say they were too lazy to post the source which seems entirely trustworthy... right?

So do you think the drop rate has been nerfed over the last 24hrs?

Xenavire
07-31-2015, 05:38 PM
So do you think the drop rate has been nerfed over the last 24hrs?

I would be interested in hearing about this myself. I think if anything should have been done, they should have made the 2013/14 packs drop for both people in draft finals, rather than nerfing arena (if that happened).

Prominis
07-31-2015, 05:47 PM
So do you think the drop rate has been nerfed over the last 24hrs?

I don't know if it has personally, as I started farming after someone said it in chat, but only a few hours earlier today it was also stated in chat. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say yes, and rightfully so, as people were reporting an average of 1-2 packs each run in the first few pages. At that rate, the value of the items inside the packs were going to sink like a rock (they already have really, the 2013/14 ones anyway, since they were reintroduced).
If you look at hexprice, the value of AA Ozawa has tanked, dropping by approx. 800 platinum or so. If this was an actual rate decrease, then I think it's a warranted and deserved one, if a tad frustrating.

As for whether it actually happened, someone in the general chat said that there was a source they had that proved it, but that they didn't want to bother typing out the url.

szimek
07-31-2015, 06:02 PM
It feels like nerfed. before i had 1 pack per 1-2 runs wich imo was perfect ;] now 5th run in a row and nothing :/

Mr.Funsocks
07-31-2015, 06:10 PM
I'll be pissed if it's actually that low...

Xexist
07-31-2015, 06:18 PM
I don't know if it has personally, as I started farming after someone said it in chat, but only a few hours earlier today it was also stated in chat. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say yes, and rightfully so, as people were reporting an average of 1-2 packs each run in the first few pages. At that rate, the value of the items inside the packs were going to sink like a rock (they already have really, the 2013/14 ones anyway, since they were reintroduced).
If you look at hexprice, the value of AA Ozawa has tanked, dropping by approx. 800 platinum or so. If this was an actual rate decrease, then I think it's a warranted and deserved one, if a tad frustrating.

As for whether it actually happened, someone in the general chat said that there was a source they had that proved it, but that they didn't want to bother typing out the url.

Thats sad if so. I was going to post and commend them on the seemingly high drop rate and how it makes us feel good, those of us who arent lucky enough to go to these events.

Mr.Funsocks
07-31-2015, 06:30 PM
Considering how many bugs I've faced in Arena, costing me wins, and how tired I am of it, I'd hope that at least the drop rate is high...

IronPheasant
07-31-2015, 06:33 PM
5 lewts. 0 boosts.


Pile of terrible aborted runs with the worst luck I've ever experienced, and yet to see a pack...

You guys think they added some cheats to the AI's shuffler? I've NEVER had a string of luck this bad before. Not even close.

Mahes
07-31-2015, 06:36 PM
Seriously it already takes an event to get me to play the Arena anymore, but to then offer the event and drop the drop rate is low. Now I am hesitant to play Arena anymore. It is just so boring now.

The AI is random just like shards. This means you will have runs where it draws its beat stick hand and then runs where the AI might as well be a fish bowl.

Mr.Funsocks
07-31-2015, 06:47 PM
Actually my bad luck hasn't been with the AI, it's been with my own card draws.

But hey, I did finally get a 2015 pack.

velk
07-31-2015, 06:50 PM
You guys think they added some cheats to the AI's shuffler? I've NEVER had a string of luck this bad before. Not even close.

That seems like a sneaky conspiracy theory, but I'll admit I was beginning to think I was cursed. I haven't had a single perfect run since this event started.

Mr.Funsocks
07-31-2015, 06:54 PM
The AI is well dumber this patch, and yet I still am losing more than before. By a lot...

Prominis
07-31-2015, 06:57 PM
The AI is random just like shards. This means you will have runs where it draws its beat stick hand and then runs where the AI might as well be a fish bowl.

This. Except we humans tend to remember negative memories much easier than positive ones; this will make it feel like the AI is more consistently topdecking the turn two angel of dawns, even though you could be curbstomping it 90% of the time.
Gotta love the negativity bias.

wolzarg
07-31-2015, 07:32 PM
after 6 runs with 1 pack i quit but as far as i know even after the supposed nerf i have watched someone else average about 1.5 packs per run at about 2:1 ratio for 15 and 13/14

Prominis
07-31-2015, 07:47 PM
For some reason I left out yesterday's hours in my last calculation, but now I'm reaching upwards of fifteen hours. Maybe some people are just unlucky.

This is actually a really good incentive to grind gold, I'm normally a lazy bum when it comes to this.

Mejis
07-31-2015, 07:51 PM
I've done 4 full runs now and gotten 2x 2015 packs. One from tier 1 perfect. Second from tier 3 imperfect (was at one loss from a game midway through tier 3).

Received Cloud Queen from one pack and her boots from another.

Flairina
07-31-2015, 08:02 PM
Dang. I figured a nerf would happen, but I was hoping I'd have more time before it happened since I was too tied to grind until just now. Given my recent dismal luck, I may as well give up now. No packs for me I guess. :(

Trothael
07-31-2015, 08:27 PM
My last few runs have each netted me a 2013/14 pack, and two
2015 packs apiece.

2 Storm Kings, 2 Storm of the Century, 2 AA Pippits, 2 Storm Queens, a single AA Storm Cloud, and a handful of the storm equipment. And a Portensio.

israel.kendall
07-31-2015, 08:33 PM
People still talking about getting good drops, I don't think it was nerfed, kismet will do as she always has.

Flairina
07-31-2015, 08:37 PM
EDIT: Deleted.

Showsni
07-31-2015, 09:22 PM
My most recent run, just half an hour or so ago, won 4 packs. Might be too early to call nerf.

I got a few packs (including a 13/14) from a few runs on Thursday, but since I started keeping more detailed notes I've gone:

36:30 16 chests, 0 packs
42:45 18 chests, 1 pack (2015)
39:29 14 chests, 2 packs (2015)
43:25 14 chests, 1 pack (2015) (Stupid Mastery Xarlox!)
40:56 16 chests, 0 packs
35:26 16 chests, 1 pack (2015)
39:08 14 chests, 0 packs
38:50 16 chests, 4 packs (2015)

(These are what the chest numbers would have been without the packs replacing them, of course)

IronPheasant
07-31-2015, 09:56 PM
The AI is well dumber this patch, and yet I still am losing more than before. By a lot...

Disagree. It just doesn't always block lethal combat swings, a situation where it was probable to lose ANYWAY no matter what it does, because I'm turning my dudes sideways. But otherwise I receive crap like this all the time:

http://i.imgur.com/xRWVORB.jpg

.... yeah. I should uninstall and play Hello Kitty Adventures instead.

noragar
07-31-2015, 10:08 PM
4 arena runs, 14 boss wins (13 of them perfect tiers), 0 convocation packs (and 0 bonus chests)

Flairina
07-31-2015, 10:17 PM
My most recent run, just half an hour or so ago, won 4 packs. Might be too early to call nerf.

I got a few packs (including a 13/14) from a few runs on Thursday, but since I started keeping more detailed notes I've gone:

36:30 16 chests, 0 packs
42:45 18 chests, 1 pack (2015)
39:29 14 chests, 2 packs (2015)
43:25 14 chests, 1 pack (2015) (Stupid Mastery Xarlox!)
40:56 16 chests, 0 packs
35:26 16 chests, 1 pack (2015)
39:08 14 chests, 0 packs
38:50 16 chests, 4 packs (2015)

(These are what the chest numbers would have been without the packs replacing them, of course)

Wasn't originally going to comment anymore, but I do have to point out that you have Dungeon Crawler Showsni. Double the rolls- and even so, 4 seems exceptionally lucky right now, like more so than Uruu. But I made Ossuary mad even talking about this, so I'm gonna shut up.

Mejis
07-31-2015, 10:17 PM
Disagree. It just doesn't always block lethal combat swings, a situation where it was probable to lose ANYWAY no matter what it does, because I'm turning my dudes sideways. But otherwise I receive crap like this all the time:

http://i.imgur.com/xRWVORB.jpg

.... yeah. I should uninstall and play Hello Kitty Adventures instead.

Ouch.
Also, seems the arena pve opponent error images are the same for everyone. Is there any official word on this getting resolved?

IronPheasant
07-31-2015, 11:09 PM
Also, seems the arena pve opponent error images are the same for everyone. Is there any official word on this getting resolved?

Don't forget about the upcoming PvE cards visible in the card manager by mistake, Feralroot Stalker, Sneak Thief, Forest Bandit. So generic and feeble, they are truly PvE commons.

szimek
08-01-2015, 12:01 AM
Looks like Kismet is playing with me... 3 packs (2015) in a row and the same equipment in all of them... so i decided to spin some chests, just for fun and... AoD in the first one... Kismet please... make up your mind.

saffamike
08-01-2015, 12:24 AM
Same for me Szimek. Way to many Cloud Queen slippers - I must have 4 or 5 at this stage.

Xexist
08-01-2015, 01:16 AM
Same for me Szimek. Way to many Cloud Queen slippers - I must have 4 or 5 at this stage.

yeah getting way too much equipment... which is kinda silly if their drop rate is higher... never really understood that.

we need 4x of a troop, only need 1 eq, yet seems like we get 4x more eq :p

HitoZ
08-01-2015, 01:36 AM
Did another 3 full runs, no packs. Tier 4 xarlox gave me a legendary stardust on my last run.

szimek
08-01-2015, 01:41 AM
Way to many Cloud Queen slippers

exactly same for me :D 3 x Cloud Queen slippers in a row. But i just got Portentio, so looks like Kismet is in a good mood again ;]

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 01:47 AM
exactly same for me :D 3 x Cloud Queen slippers in a row. But i just got Portentio, so looks like Kismet is in a good mood again ;]

Actually portensio was selling for cheaper than the convo packs last I checked. Would have been better off selling the pack and buying portensio on the AH.

FreezingPhoenix
08-01-2015, 01:59 AM
I had about 15 runs yesterday, 3 packs.

saffamike
08-01-2015, 02:14 AM
I picked up Portensio on the AH. It would kill me to do all this grinding and not get all the mercs. Now I'm just hunting the AAs and equipment (other than those slippers!)

Xexist
08-01-2015, 02:22 AM
played hours tonight. no packs. really really laggy tonight for me too which made it lamer.

Zophie
08-01-2015, 02:31 AM
played hours tonight. no packs. really really laggy tonight for me too which made it lamer.

same here :(


.... yeah. I should uninstall and play Hello Kitty Adventures instead.

Oh come on, you can keep Hex installed and still play Hello Kitty, no reason why you can't have both ;)

Ertzi
08-01-2015, 02:37 AM
I got scared of the possible nerf and bought AA Storm Cloud from the AH, so that I at least have one. Their price seems to be going up. Now watch the price drop like a rock in the coming days, so I know I lost several hundred plat for being impatient. This is what always happens to me. :D

saffamike
08-01-2015, 03:35 AM
Yep - huge lag for me too. Disappointing.

Boreaquis
08-01-2015, 04:43 AM
Still hoping to get a 2013/2014 pack or two out of this, but no such luck yet. The lag and game-breaking bugs (just got a run ruined by the Town Crier bug) make it quite tedious, though.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 04:52 AM
I am hoping they decide to extend the event because there is a lot less loot going around than there should be (bonus roll bug + bugs stopping perfect tiers).

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 05:09 AM
I am hoping they decide to extend the event because there is a lot less loot going around than there should be (bonus roll bug + bugs stopping perfect tiers).

Well, they didn't extend the set 2 release event when I had 9 straight drafts bug out costing me any chance of winning a Filk Ape, I don't see why they would start doing this now.

Assassine
08-01-2015, 05:16 AM
So far, 4 2015 packs from 8 arena runs, and 15 pg wins in a row with no drop :D Have yet to see a 13/14 pack.

Graydeath
08-01-2015, 05:44 AM
Day 1: 4 runs 4 2015 pack
Day 2: 4 runs 1 2015 pack
Day 3: 4 runs 1 2014 pack

I was lucky the first day o the drop rate decresed?

RamzaBehoulve
08-01-2015, 05:46 AM
Day 1: 4 runs 4 2015 pack
Day 2: 4 runs 1 2015 pack
Day 3: 4 runs 1 2014 pack

I was lucky the first day o the drop rate decresed?

There is a slightl possibility they have been reading chat and saw me complaining loudly about the arena vs proving ground drop rate ;)

GhundiPI
08-01-2015, 05:48 AM
I have the same feeling that the drop rate has changed. Thursday and Friday has been somewhat consistent, but today it has been almost impossible to gain a pack. I got 1 pack and my SO 2 packs in about 5 hours of Arena (both of us are Dungeon Crawlers). That is with less than half of the previous two days. Combined with the extreme server lag, I can imagine that this is getting to be a pretty frustrating experience for the more casual players. Hopefully the drop rate is just perception and nothing has changed, but I do hope that the servers will speed up very soon.

Edit: Either it is just a percepton issue, or complaining helps. But after posting this I managed to scrounge two more 2015 packs in a few more runs. Still below the average of the previous days, but well within margins of random possibility.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 05:49 AM
Well, they didn't extend the set 2 release event when I had 9 straight drafts bug out costing me any chance of winning a Filk Ape, I don't see why they would start doing this now.

There is a huge difference between a small scale bug (a few people affected) and global bugs (affect everyone.)

The bonus loot is a huge issue for everyone. People are getting roughly 50% less chances to proc a convo pack per boss, and that adds up to be quite a lot over a large number of runs. And considering how this was noticed early and wasn't patched in time, it would be a very nice show of good faith to extend the time and possibly backdate all the lost rolls.

Lafoote
08-01-2015, 05:53 AM
Yep, so far this is less than spectacular. You don't want the drop rate to be so low that nobody anywhere gets the cards. What you want is for some people to get the cards either through luck or extreme dedication. At this rate, only a very, very small percentile of players will get a playset, and even those players are going to have to shell out. I don't think that is what they envisioned.

Plus, the servers are getting choked out. Latency issues are increasing by the day. Is it increased participation due to the event or are we SURE that memory hole is plugged?

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 06:04 AM
There is a huge difference between a small scale bug (a few people affected) and global bugs (affect everyone.)

The bonus loot is a huge issue for everyone. People are getting roughly 50% less chances to proc a convo pack per boss, and that adds up to be quite a lot over a large number of runs. And considering how this was noticed early and wasn't patched in time, it would be a very nice show of good faith to extend the time and possibly backdate all the lost rolls.

A lot of people were effected actually during the set 2 release, there were widespread bugs including having cards put into your deck that weren't even on color. I just see it as complaining about not getting enough free stuff fast enough. If they bring the servers down maybe to fix this lag I could see an extension being warranted for that though.

hex_colin
08-01-2015, 06:10 AM
Yep, so far this is less than spectacular. You don't want the drop rate to be so low that nobody anywhere gets the cards. What you want is for some people to get the cards either through luck or extreme dedication. At this rate, only a very, very small percentile of players will get a playset, and even those players are going to have to shell out. I don't think that is what they envisioned.

Plus, the servers are getting choked out. Latency issues are increasing by the day. Is it increased participation due to the event or are we SURE that memory hole is plugged?

Luck, dedication, and trading. ;)

Trust me, it's clear it's a herculean task to get a playset of everything in person too. There just aren't that many copies of a few of the cards. This stuff is going to be rare, whether you attended a Con in person or played in the client. Our play group is actively trading between each other and there are still lots of gaps.

I'm sure he'll have already seen it, but I'll bring up the Arena slowness to Chris when I see him this morning.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 06:26 AM
A lot of people were effected actually during the set 2 release, there were widespread bugs including having cards put into your deck that weren't even on color. I just see it as complaining about not getting enough free stuff fast enough. If they bring the servers down maybe to fix this lag I could see an extension being warranted for that though.

I remember the set 2 release, and I know for a fact that less people were impacted by those specific bugs than will be affected by the lack of bonus rolls over this entire weekend. It is a question of scale.

(And for what it is worth, I couldn't play a single draft on my own PC without getting a bug that eliminated me during the set 2 release, so I had to use a different PC. I still think that this warrants an extension while the set 2 one didn't.)

saffamike
08-01-2015, 06:30 AM
It would be pretty great if they could award the bonus rolls after the bug is patched. Not sure if it's possible, but I'm sure that Chark has the data.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 06:37 AM
It would be pretty great if they could award the bonus rolls after the bug is patched. Not sure if it's possible, but I'm sure that Chark has the data.

You mispelled Datadragon :p

And it should be possible in theory, they can do retroactive primal rolls after all, so bonus rolls shouldn't be impossible as long as they can generate the rolls correctly over the correct periods of time.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 06:38 AM
I remember the set 2 release, and I know for a fact that less people were impacted by those specific bugs than will be affected by the lack of bonus rolls over this entire weekend. It is a question of scale.

(And for what it is worth, I couldn't play a single draft on my own PC without getting a bug that eliminated me during the set 2 release, so I had to use a different PC. I still think that this warrants an extension while the set 2 one didn't.)

Yeah, I still disagree lol. I actually paid money for that. While I was reimbursed a draft ticket, that ticket did not award the same prizes as what I had paid for. I would not have paid to enter that many drafts in a weekend if it weren't for the AA prize. Also, all the wasted time. I do see your point of wanting an extension, I just feel like if we didn't get one then for bugs we shouldn't get one now. Or if we get one now, then we should always get one. What I'm getting at is there needs to be a standard of what to expect in regards to this sort of thing.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 06:41 AM
Yeah, I still disagree lol. I actually paid money for that. While I was reimbursed a draft ticket, that ticket did not award the same prizes as what I had paid for. I would not have paid to enter that many drafts in a weekend if it weren't for the AA prize. Also, all the wasted time. I do see your point of wanting an extension, I just feel like if we didn't get one then for bugs we shouldn't get one now. Or if we get one now, then we should always get one. What I'm getting at is there needs to be a standard of what to expect in regards to this sort of thing.

(also you said a "few" people were effected, definitely not the case)

Edit, this was supposed to be an edit but hit the wrong button i guess lol. need sleep

Showsni
08-01-2015, 07:18 AM
I'm sure he'll have already seen it, but I'll bring up the Arena slowness to Chris when I see him this morning.

It's not just arena - drafts and gauntlets are being affected too. People are being unable to rejoin games in progress, unable to pass priority, etc. Lots of lagginess and general server weirdness.

Xexist
08-01-2015, 09:03 AM
FML i cant even start games anymore. getting stuck at starry sky

Elwinz
08-01-2015, 09:07 AM
I am getting stuck at starsky whole day and i probably restarted game today more times than for entire last month. After whole day of nothing i got double 2013 pack from t4 zoltog ;)

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 09:14 AM
I am calling it here - at the time of posting the game is essentially unplayable. Took me 15 minutes to play 3-4 turns in arena, with relogging not helping most of the time. We deserve some kind of extension, regardless of the bonus packs (but really, all the issues together leave me with no doubt that we need an extension of a day or two, especially for weekend players who are currently missing out on a decent play experience.)

I don't recall the game being this bad since alpha, so it is pretty bad for a timed, 1-off event.

Hadry
08-01-2015, 09:15 AM
<im stuck on the star sky too ><. I was able to sneak few games w/o lag before, now the games wont even start. Atleast i got 4 convocation packs already, all from 2015, out of 8-9 total full runs i have done so far. Im still trying to find any 2014 pack.

Xexist
08-01-2015, 09:20 AM
I am calling it here - at the time of posting the game is essentially unplayable. Took me 15 minutes to play 3-4 turns in arena, with relogging not helping most of the time. We deserve some kind of extension, regardless of the bonus packs (but really, all the issues together leave me with no doubt that we need an extension of a day or two, especially for weekend players who are currently missing out on a decent play experience.)

I don't recall the game being this bad since alpha, so it is pretty bad for a timed, 1-off event.

I have a feeling it wont happen... but I definitely hope it does considering I have not got a pack drop in the last 6-8 hours of playing. And I stayed home from camping this weekend and probably pissed the wife off to 'enjoy' this.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 09:38 AM
The simple solution to this all, is give everyone 4x of all convocation cards.

I find an event like this ultimately frustrating.
It's one thing to infuse the game for F2P to profit, but it's another thing to lock PvE content behind timed events and paywalls.
I know this was the games overall intention, but for people on the ground from the beginning, you are passively forcing us to play.

Players must sacrifice time now, instead than obscene amounts of money later, to enjoy all aspects of PvE from a strategic deckbuilding standpoint.

As if it wasn't enough to lock PvE content behind RNG Gambling on chests from PvP packs..


And now, the AI already on its deathbed since the AoM patch, has finally gone into cardiac arrest.

Prominis
08-01-2015, 09:43 AM
We should start a petition for Cryptozoic to coerce DataDragon to randomly generate a code that goes to every player, which would give them negative one gold.

If only Roostasaur hadn't eaten the hamster.

Elwinz
08-01-2015, 09:50 AM
I agree with Nico. Locking down crazy pve rares on these rare chest and chest spins makes them almost unobtainable for "f2p" pve player. The shiitakes or elemntals are out of reach. Slaughersgears also .. i got super luckly to get one reave rno spins and solid it instalty for like 1,5k plat since i see no way to get 4 of them the way it is now. Its just buying pvp cards form pve money since pve cards are locked on duper expensive pvp.


zFrom chest you get tons of PVP AAS which have floor price but very few pve.. Even sluagher guardina which is uncommon gores for like 100 plat since its not much of thme on the amrket not evne talking rares.

zadies
08-01-2015, 10:05 AM
The point is they could go back to how it was originally screw everyone that can't show up in person... the fact is this is much cheaper regardless then that.

Flairina
08-01-2015, 10:28 AM
I'm not sure about the "give everyone 4 of each", but i do agree that this is ridiculous. Arena, which is the only way most f2p people can actually participate, was slow as molasses and forcing tons of reconnects until the server reset just now (time will tell if this lasts). That notwithstanding, the bugs in there right now are horrendous. HoA stalls any play for 30 minutes bare minimum should he get Town Crier out, assuming he even loses if he times out; I couldn't get this to work. The bonus chests being missing is also particularly egregious on a week like this- though are they actually even missing? Is this extremely low bonus loot proc intentional? I DID see one in my rewards in one of my runs, so maybe this is just the intention going forward? If not, then this is HUGELY impactful, and although I get that they're kind of busy with con right now, SOMETHING is going to have to be done about it after the fact if they can't change it now. At least, so I assume.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 10:29 AM
The point is they could go back to how it was originally screw everyone that can't show up in person... the fact is this is much cheaper regardless then that.

I think you are missing the point that was being made. It's about PvE exclusivity. Not sleeves/AA's/gencon goodies that are exclusive.

Also, they never fixed Dugeon bonus loot rolls for this event.. so getting screwed on bonus chances (but they may have upped the % chance slightly due to this)

Svenn
08-01-2015, 10:36 AM
HoA stalls any play for 30 minutes bare minimum should he get Town Crier out, assuming he even loses if he times out; I couldn't get this to work.

Just concede. You can move on and not waste 30 minutes.

Hawke
08-01-2015, 10:39 AM
1 full PVE run 0 packs.
10 wins in Proven grounds 0 packs.
Now im drafting. The hell with those drop rates.

Lafoote
08-01-2015, 10:43 AM
Played all morning. Shut out on drops, but I got a full load of aggravation. I'll try it again tonight, but as I've posted on a couple other threads, the obscene rarity of PvE cards from Chests, WoF, and now Convocation, is a dramatic obstruction to my enjoyment of the game. While CZE has done a lot right with Hex, in this particular area, I feel they are seriously letting us down.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 10:56 AM
Played all morning. Shut out on drops, but I got a full load of aggravation. I'll try it again tonight, but as I've posted on a couple other threads, the obscene rarity of PvE cards from Chests, WoF, and now Convocation, is a dramatic obstruction to my enjoyment of the game. While CZE has done a lot right with Hex, in this particular area, I feel they are seriously letting us down.

I agree. I don't want to speak badly about the team, but the chests, the convocation event, the wheels... There are just far too many unfun elements that punish anyone who even wants to take part, and tortures anyone who actually wants to collect. I have voiced my concerns before, and I feel that the people in charge of these decisions are ignoring some valuable feedback.

I mean, serious time? The amount of stress and the lack of fun I have been put through over the last few weeks and months due to Hex and the unfun elements they keep pushing has made me have a long, hard think about whether I should stick around at all. And given all that I have done to make this game the best it can be, and how dedicated I have been, that should speak volumes.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 11:02 AM
I agree. I don't want to speak badly about the team, but the chests, the convocation event, the wheels... There are just far too many unfun elements that punish anyone who even wants to take part, and tortures anyone who actually wants to collect. I have voiced my concerns before, and I feel that the people in charge of these decisions are ignoring some valuable feedback.

I mean, serious time? The amount of stress and the lack of fun I have been put through over the last few weeks and months due to Hex and the unfun elements they keep pushing has made me have a long, hard think about whether I should stick around at all. And given all that I have done to make this game the best it can be, and how dedicated I have been, that should speak volumes.

This is a really bad chain of events for the paying playerbase they intend to keep around. This type of shit will ultimately drive the players they want away from the game. The grind and time commitment this entails.. Or the RNG and Paywall it imposes, is very anti-fun.

I hope some learnings are had before future events like this are chained, and intended to be considered "fun" for the playerbase. PvE cards behind these walls is frustrating. Grinding playsets of event based PvE drops - should be achieved by anyone with 5-6 hours during an event - and cater towards casuals. (IMO - reward for playing, not punishment for not playing enough) I don't care about AA's.

GhundiPI
08-01-2015, 11:48 AM
Also, they never fixed Dugeon bonus loot rolls for this event.. so getting screwed on bonus chances (but they may have upped the % chance slightly due to this)
I'm not sure if you are referring to DCs having extra chance on the packs. If so, I can report that it is working as I managed to get three packs (1 2013/2014 and 2 2015) as a reward for a single tier. Unfortunately no screenshot though, a bit too flabbergasted to have the wits and press print-screen.

All in all, besides the extreme server lag earlier today, we're not too unhappy about the event. We have managed to get a few more packs today, so the droprate is slowly getting back to what we've seen the previous two days. But I do agree that this event seems to be tuned more to the top end of players. Meaning those who have the time, dedication and right type of account. At least, if you want to acquire a full set of rewards through. Not sure if that is wrong though.

Xexist
08-01-2015, 11:55 AM
I'm not sure if you are referring to DCs having extra chance on the packs. If so, I can report that it is working as I managed to get three packs (1 2013/2014 and 2 2015) as a reward for a single tier. Unfortunately no screenshot though, a bit too flabbergasted to have the wits and press print-screen.

All in all, besides the extreme server lag earlier today, we're not too unhappy about the event. We have managed to get a few more packs today, so the droprate is slowly getting back to what we've seen the previous two days. But I do agree that this event seems to be tuned more to the top end of players. Meaning those who have the time, dedication and right type of account. At least, if you want to acquire a full set of rewards through. Not sure if that is wrong though.

I think he means regular bonus loot isnt dropping.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 12:00 PM
I think he means regular bonus loot isnt dropping.
yup

GhundiPI
08-01-2015, 12:05 PM
I think he means regular bonus loot isnt dropping.

yup
Ah, my mistake. Was still amazed by it though :)

IronPheasant
08-01-2015, 12:45 PM
I agree. I don't want to speak badly about the team, but the chests, the convocation event, the wheels... There are just far too many unfun elements that punish anyone who even wants to take part, and tortures anyone who actually wants to collect.

I think they have a pretty decent understanding about the economics of their system. If everyone has the cards no one will want the cards.

Let's take the Frost Ring Arena set. After months of moderate no-life grinding, I have a playset of every card short of the Cavalier. Unless they go out of print this year, these cards will have a value of nearly $0 for the life of the entire game. I'm personally speculating that rotation of PvE sets is part of their plans... but if it's not, my choice of podcast enhancer wasn't great in economic terms.

But I think the equipment system isn't very good and would not mind a complete and total overhaul.

It's all very buddhist, desire = the source of all suffering kind of thing. Hex is not the game for people who want full collections without spending $600 a year to do it. $100 Cerulean Money Knights and $20 chase legends illustrate that pretty clearly.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 12:50 PM
With that said, I still think they should think carefully about what type of content they want to lock behind paywalls.
As someone that really enjoys PvE, it's a challenge not to feel obligated to acquire all playable cards and equipment for deckbuilding.

Is it needed to beat stuff?
Nope.

Is it fair that a guy with more time and more money has it, and I don't?
Yup.

Does it frustrate players, and alienate through exclusivity?
Yup.

It's what they want in the game, and that is fine... It's just becoming increasingly hard to stomach through balancing life with the necessity to run on this hamster wheel everyday that has become HEX... Yeah, we don't believe in Daily Quests or login rewards.... I'm not buying it.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 12:59 PM
Sorry guys, I'm not seeing the whole paywall thing here with the ridiculous amount of loot one can pull from arena. Not only can players run arena for free to get the convo packs for free, they also get gold and dust while doing it. All this seems so overly dramatic to me.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 01:00 PM
I think they have a pretty decent understanding about the economics of their system. If everyone has the cards no one will want the cards.

Let's take the Frost Ring Arena set. After months of moderate no-life grinding, I have a playset of every card short of the Cavalier. Unless they go out of print this year, these cards will have a value of nearly $0 for the life of the entire game. I'm personally speculating that rotation of PvE sets is part of their plans... but if it's not, my choice of podcast enhancer wasn't great in economic terms.

But I think the equipment system isn't very good and would not mind a complete and total overhaul.

It's all very buddhist, desire = the source of all suffering kind of thing. Hex is not the game for people who want full collections without spending $600 a year to do it. $100 Cerulean Money Knights and $20 chase legends illustrate that pretty clearly.

This isn't about having full collections of everything, it about having a reasonable expectation for even a casual player to be able to 'participate' in earning prizes. Considering how many perfect runs and not so perfect runs I have done in between doing drafts, I don't think there is a reasonable expectation for a casual player to get any items at all from this event, let alone anything they might actually be able to use.

Taking it a step further, I have been playing pretty much non-stop barring sleep, and even with the guaranteed drop packs from draft I am miles away from being close to a full playset (and based on how many packs I used, I would say I 'spent big' to get a mere handful of items, not to mention I had a large head start on the 13/14 items.) What we are talking about is an event that should be about fun, being made into the most grindy week in the life of Hex, and that isn't good for anyone.

Some people may like an economy like this, but what is being displayed is a distinctly unfun system that punishes anyone who ever wants anything memorable, or just to have options for PvE. We are seeing it with the wheels (the gold sink is so heavy that people have been debating the value of bothering to roll anything) chests (items of lower rarity dropping on high rarity chests) stardust (extremely high costs on alternate art cards for no reason) and now all the events. Don't get me wrong, I love to draft and I love to help Hex out, but I haven't had much fun at all over the last fortnight, and that is not good for Hex (they need things to remain fun so that they can retain players.)


And I am constantly talking with casual players - they have hated all the events recently, to the point that they are either avoiding the game or feeling forced to login - neither of which is a good sign.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 01:06 PM
Sorry guys, I'm not seeing the whole paywall thing here with the ridiculous amount of loot one can pull from arena. Not only can players run arena for free to get the convo packs for free, they also get gold and dust while doing it. All this seems so overly dramatic to me.
It's really not overly dramatic at all. It's a different lens into what is going on, from a perspective that has a lot to do with RNG and time. Because the timeframe is locked and a short duration, makes it more associated with "paywall" than anything else.

It's looking at content that "in a sense" matters, since it's not fluffy art candy for collectors. It's actually unique playable content, that we are told can and will never be obtainable after this locked timeframe event. There is no guarantee one will acquire pieces after X hours of farming. So it comes down to RNG, time, and money. You can see how a casual fan of HEX may have giant issues with this. But it doesn't make being a hardcore fan of the game, and a grinder, any better if kismet is not on your side.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 01:09 PM
This isn't about having full collections of everything, it about having a reasonable expectation for even a casual player to be able to 'participate' in earning prizes. Considering how many perfect runs and not so perfect runs I have done in between doing drafts, I don't think there is a reasonable expectation for a casual player to get any items at all from this event, let alone anything they might actually be able to use.

Taking it a step further, I have been playing pretty much non-stop barring sleep, and even with the guaranteed drop packs from draft I am miles away from being close to a full playset (and based on how many packs I used, I would say I 'spent big' to get a mere handful of items, not to mention I had a large head start on the 13/14 items.) What we are talking about is an event that should be about fun, being made into the most grindy week in the life of Hex, and that isn't good for anyone.

Some people may like an economy like this, but what is being displayed is a distinctly unfun system that punishes anyone who ever wants anything memorable, or just to have options for PvE. We are seeing it with the wheels (the gold sink is so heavy that people have been debating the value of bothering to roll anything) chests (items of lower rarity dropping on high rarity chests) stardust (extremely high costs on alternate art cards for no reason) and now all the events. Don't get me wrong, I love to draft and I love to help Hex out, but I haven't had much fun at all over the last fortnight, and that is not good for Hex (they need things to remain fun so that they can retain players.)


And I am constantly talking with casual players - they have hated all the events recently, to the point that they are either avoiding the game or feeling forced to login - neither of which is a good sign.

I am not necessarily completely disagreeing with you about what you are saying but initially you are saying you want people to be able to participate in earning prizes but then you complain about not having them all. I think it is very reasonable for someone to participate during this time and earn prizes. They will not come close to getting them all though. Heck I have been on an epic gauntlet run and I am nowhere near close to completing either of the 14 or 15 rewards. They need things like this to put the T in TCG. I just so happens that the most vocal people on the forums happen to be the people who really want to collect everything and also have, generally, more time than money so when things like this come around they are going to be miffed. I prefer this stuff to the lack of events between set 2 and set 3.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 01:11 PM
It's really not overly dramatic at all. It's a different lens into what is going on, from a perspective that has a lot to do with RNG and time. Because the timeframe is locked and a short duration, makes it more associated with "paywall" than anything else.

It's looking at content that "in a sense" matters, since it's not fluffy art candy for collectors. It's actually unique playable content, that we are told can and will never be obtainable after this locked timeframe event. There is no guarantee one will acquire pieces after X hours of farming. So it comes down to RNG, time, and money. You can see how a casual fan of HEX may have giant issues with this. But it doesn't make being a hardcore fan of the game, and a grinder, any better if kismet is not on your side.

Well, to look at the flip side of the coin, look how much plat a casual player can pull during this event. If it was all common easy to get junk it would be worthless. No one would want it and we would have threads here complaining because all the gencon loot is worthless, which i think would be much worse.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 01:12 PM
It really should just be 1 15 pack guaranteed per run, 1 13/14 per perfect 20-0, and the same low random drops that already exist. Because, despite how much everyone loves to say it, getting 20-0 is something only a small percentage of people can do with any regularity. Because in reality, I can earn the 15 packs just by opening packs with a small fee on top (meaning someone with a lot of money could just play 'open my packs' and get an enormous amount of the 15 packs.)

I would say the time commitment involved in just clearing a run more than covers the 'cost' of a pack.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 01:13 PM
Well, to look at the flip side of the coin, look how much plat a casual player can pull during this event. If it was all common easy to get junk it would be worthless. No one would want it and we would have threads here complaining because all the gencon loot is worthless, which i think would be much worse.
Wrong definition of Casual.
That is a F2P player.
That is a Time = Money standpoint that F2P are interested in.
Not Time = Playable content that a casual player would be interested in.

Also, casual is such a loose term with gaming. It could mean a player with 4 hours per week to game, or 40, depending on how it's perceived.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 01:15 PM
Wrong definition of Casual.
That is a F2P player.
That is a Time = Money standpoint that F2P are interested in.
Not Time = Playable content that a casual player would be interested in.

Also, casual is such a loose term with gaming. It could mean a player with 4 hours per week to game, or 40, depending on how it's perceived.

Not sure if you're trying to say a casual player can't pull mad loot from arena runs, but they surely can and are.(regardless of definition)

wolzarg
08-01-2015, 01:15 PM
Reavers are selling for 4k That's just not okay. Its a pve card locked behind a RNG wall and as far as i know is now the single most expensive card in the game that isn't a collector AA.

Fyren
08-01-2015, 01:16 PM
Actually, I haven't been enjoying the events really either - and to the point where they've actually been reducing enjoyment of existing tournaments. The Duke event last week is a prime example.

Last week, I believe I went second round in all but one of 6 drafts (1 round one scrub; 1 finals) and had many 2-3/3-3/4-2 gauntlets; I went 2-2 in a VIP and 3-1 in a Sealed (for which I never got rewards due to a bug, but whatever, I trust that'll come eventually.) In any other week I would have been entirely content with a middling record like this. Hell, I walked away with VIP AAs, right? That's good!

But it wasn't satisfying because I only took the grand prize home once. Furthermore, I felt compelled to try and play Gauntlet due to the time constraint, and to someone who enjoys maximizing value, Gauntlet is a money urinal, and even going 3-3 feels like kind of a loss. I threw a bunch of money at Hex that weekend and was the least happy about having done so that I've been in my Hex career to date.

And now I'm grinding on a time-efficiency speed trying to walk away with rare collector's stuff before it ends.

I... dunno, man.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 01:19 PM
I am not necessarily completely disagreeing with you about what you are saying but initially you are saying you want people to be able to participate in earning prizes but then you complain about not having them all. I think it is very reasonable for someone to participate during this time and earn prizes. They will not come close to getting them all though. Heck I have been on an epic gauntlet run and I am nowhere near close to completing either of the 14 or 15 rewards. They need things like this to put the T in TCG. I just so happens that the most vocal people on the forums happen to be the people who really want to collect everything and also have, generally, more time than money so when things like this come around they are going to be miffed. I prefer this stuff to the lack of events between set 2 and set 3.

I am not exaggerating at all about casual players not having much of a chance. I know two different people that have each been farming off and on since the event launched, and neither of them has a pack yet (and they have more free time than most.)

I am a hardcore player, and I have completed a lot more runs than either of them due to having a lot of practice, better cards, and more general skill - and I have only gotten 2. I estimate that over the entire week that they would be lucky if they had more than 2-3 packs each from devoting literally hours a day to playing arena - and if they want to actually do anything else with their time they are unlikely to get anything at all.

If nothing else it should not be locked behind punishing RNG, because casual players already have a rough enough time.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 01:35 PM
I am not exaggerating at all about casual players not having much of a chance. I know two different people that have each been farming off and on since the event launched, and neither of them has a pack yet (and they have more free time than most.)

I am a hardcore player, and I have completed a lot more runs than either of them due to having a lot of practice, better cards, and more general skill - and I have only gotten 2. I estimate that over the entire week that they would be lucky if they had more than 2-3 packs each from devoting literally hours a day to playing arena - and if they want to actually do anything else with their time they are unlikely to get anything at all.

If nothing else it should not be locked behind punishing RNG, because casual players already have a rough enough time.

RNG is RNG. I did one arena run so far and got two packs. I have never seen Urunaaz.

IronPheasant
08-01-2015, 01:37 PM
Taking it a step further, I have been playing pretty much non-stop barring sleep, and even with the guaranteed drop packs from draft I am miles away from being close to a full playset What we are talking about is an event that should be about fun, being made into the most grindy week in the life of Hex, and that isn't good for anyone.

...

....but I haven't had much fun at all over the last fortnight, and that is not good for Hex

...

And I am constantly talking with casual players - they have hated all the events recently, to the point that they are either avoiding the game or feeling forced to login - neither of which is a good sign.

Woah... yeah. Gambling games like this one do have a tendency to really play our addictive impulses like a fiddle. I'm doing my best to play no more often than I would if there wasn't an event going on at all. Bros who're more prone to going off the rails really shouldn't be subjecting themselves to this kind of self-flagellation.


the gold sink is so heavy that people have been debating the value of bothering to roll anything

We know rolling rare chests and above are a net loss. It was probable it was going to be a LARGE loss, unless there were primal packs in ALL of the Primal Chests. Which I'd hope the average guy had the foresight to see wasn't going to happen.

It's only for people who really, really like sleeves.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 01:38 PM
RNG is RNG. I did one arena run so far and got two packs. I have never seen Urunaaz.

Yeah, but when the average over at least 15 runs combined between 3 people is merely 2 packs, and I am lowballing the number of runs, thats punishing RNG, where a few just happen to get lucky.

Most people I am seeing are doing several runs each with no packs to show for it. Only some are having packs, and very few have multiples (mostly those with DC I have noticed, which is nice for them but isn't the norm.)

dogmod
08-01-2015, 01:45 PM
Yeah, but when the average over at least 15 runs combined between 3 people is merely 2 packs, and I am lowballing the number of runs, thats punishing RNG, where a few just happen to get lucky.

Most people I am seeing are doing several runs each with no packs to show for it. Only some are having packs, and very few have multiples (mostly those with DC I have noticed, which is nice for them but isn't the norm.)

I would like one of those data dragon checks on this. That being said there are going to be people outside of the bell curve and they will generally be the most vocal ones

wolzarg
08-01-2015, 01:52 PM
I got 5 packs in 8 games in PG earlier today not that i think it matters but im not a DC 4 of those packs were 13/14 packs. RNG will be very random and i now have a bowl full of jelly from my friends.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 02:01 PM
I would like one of those data dragon checks on this. That being said there are going to be people outside of the bell curve and they will generally be the most vocal ones

Considering I have done at least 10 runs just by myself, and I know one of the two completed 2-3 by himself, and the other didn't complete full runs but did enough bosses to account for 1-2 runs... Yeah, its about that many, and I could be selling myself short. But I know for a fact I am the only one of us that has gotten any packs at all, and my personal rate has been roughly 1 in 5.

I know there are some people getting extremely lucky, but I would expect those people to be on the edge of the bell curve, not the people getting next to nothing.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 02:03 PM
Considering I have done at least 10 runs just by myself, and I know one of the two completed 2-3 by himself, and the other didn't complete full runs but did enough bosses to account for 1-2 runs... Yeah, its about that many, and I could be selling myself short. But I know for a fact I am the only one of us that has gotten any packs at all, and my personal rate has been roughly 1 in 5.

I know there are some people getting extremely lucky, but I would expect those people to be on the edge of the bell curve, not the people getting next to nothing.

So your data set is that two of your friends got no packs from 2 runs each. And yourself got less than you would expect over 10 runs. That is a rather poor set of data. Unless they are your only two friends seems like you may be selectively using data.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 02:05 PM
So your data set is that two of your friends got no packs from 2 runs each. And yourself got less than you would expect over 10 runs. That is a rather poor set of data.

Your point? I am saying that a casual person is going to have a bad time, and both my casual friends have been having exactly that, and my experience is barely better as a hardcore player.

The experience is nothing short of disappointing for them, and in their words 'This doesn't feel worth it'. And that has been what I have been hearing more and more and more every time they talk about Hex in general, from people who were backers and were excited about the game.

EDIT: I just tracked him down and asked him, he actually did a lot more than I thought (I figured he spent most of his time on destiny) - apparently he started close to 10 runs, although not all of them made it to the end. So it sounds like he did roughly 6-7 runs worth of bosses. No packs.

Hieronymous
08-01-2015, 02:16 PM
For what it's worth, I've managed to put together a working deck using the new cards: http://hex.tcgbrowser.com/#!/deck=25966

Only things I bought on the AH were Stormcoat (which was crazy expensive) and the Crown of the Cloud King (not nearly so bad). All the other gear I found. Only have one AA storm cloud but I honestly like the cutesy original standard version better, plus it fits better with the King and Queen. I've also gotten one of each 2014/15 reward (well, two Portensios).

To get those cards I ground Arena like crazy on Thursday and Friday (I was already-mid run when the "convocation is live" announcement hit). Each run takes me a half hour to an hour depending on what deck I use and how focused I am at the time (mostly using Dinosaurs deck and Xocoy deck; dinosaurs is slower but a welcome change after 12+ hours of Xocoy). Some of that time I didn't do full runs but just ground the first tier -- not because it's faster (it works out about the same amount of time per tier for me, esp. with aggro decks like Xocoy) but because I more consistently Perfect the first tier and that seemed to matter. I *do* have Dungeon Crawler and I'm sure that helped a lot too.

Overall the deck is fun to play, though I'm still evaluating and tweaking it. Arcane Cinder boots may be more useful than Cloud Queen boots but it's a bit of a win-more condition while having the Queen be cheaper is really helpful. Similarly, I like electric flail as weapon rather than cloud king's umbrella because it helps more with early board position.

Storm of the Century is a fun bomb and can even hit enemies with Spellshield, since it isn't "targeted." Usual wincons are either a swarm of Stormlings, water elementals (usually with some assistance from Thunderpuffs), or Storm of the Century. Arcane Cinder is also glorious especially with its interaction with Storm of the Century.

Flairina
08-01-2015, 02:23 PM
For what it's worth, I've managed to put together a working deck using the new cards: http://hex.tcgbrowser.com/#!/deck=25966

Only things I bought on the AH were Stormcoat (which was crazy expensive) and the Crown of the Cloud King (not nearly so bad). All the other gear I found. Only have one AA storm cloud but I honestly like the cutesy original standard version better, plus it fits better with the King and Queen. I've also gotten one of each 2014/15 reward (well, two Portensios).

To get those cards I ground Arena like crazy on Thursday and Friday (I was already-mid run when the "convocation is live" announcement hit). Each run takes me a half hour to an hour depending on what deck I use and how focused I am at the time (mostly using Dinosaurs deck and Xocoy deck; dinosaurs is slower but a welcome change after 12+ hours of Xocoy). Some of that time I didn't do full runs but just ground the first tier -- not because it's faster (it works out about the same amount of time per tier for me, esp. with aggro decks like Xocoy) but because I more consistently Perfect the first tier and that seemed to matter. I *do* have Dungeon Crawler and I'm sure that helped a lot too.

Overall the deck is fun to play, though I'm still evaluating and tweaking it. Arcane Cinder boots may be more useful than Cloud Queen boots but it's a bit of a win-more condition while having the Queen be cheaper is really helpful. Similarly, I like electric flail as weapon rather than cloud king's umbrella because it helps more with early board position.

Storm of the Century is a fun bomb and can even hit enemies with Spellshield, since it isn't "targeted." Usual wincons are either a swarm of Stormlings, water elementals (usually with some assistance from Thunderpuffs), or Storm of the Century. Arcane Cinder is also glorious especially with its interaction with Storm of the Century.

Well, that's cool, but it becomes pretty obvious most people ca't put that together when you see how many expensive cards are necessary not just from this event, but from before- we don't all have 4 Cerulean Mirror Knights (even the normal ones), nor do most people have sets of water elementals and Crackling Vortex. That's a bit high end. Very nice though.

Hieronymous
08-01-2015, 02:26 PM
Well, that's cool, but it becomes pretty obvious most people ca't put that together when you see how many expensive cards are necessary not just from this event, but from before- we don't all have 4 Cerulean Mirror Knights (even the normal ones), nor do most people have sets of water elementals and Crackling Vortex. That's a bit high end. Very nice though.

Oh, yeah, I realize! Just posting as proof-of-concept etc. I also wanted to show that you don't need a full playset of every new card to get a working deck -- probably you just need 4 cloud queens, maybe 2 kings, and then I'd say 2 Centuries to get the deck concept rolling.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 02:26 PM
Your point? I am saying that a casual person is going to have a bad time, and both my casual friends have been having exactly that, and my experience is barely better as a hardcore player.

The experience is nothing short of disappointing for them, and in their words 'This doesn't feel worth it'. And that has been what I have been hearing more and more and more every time they talk about Hex in general, from people who were backers and were excited about the game.

EDIT: I just tracked him down and asked him, he actually did a lot more than I thought (I figured he spent most of his time on destiny) - apparently he started close to 10 runs, although not all of them made it to the end. So it sounds like he did roughly 6-7 runs worth of bosses. No packs.

My point is that you are making blanket statements off of a very limited data set. A common logical fallacy.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 02:27 PM
With the current prices of 2015 packs at 160'ish or even less, and if you make 7k gold per run (not sure if this is still the rate, but still close), then you are actually guaranteed a 2015 pack every 2 runs, 3 max. Just buy the pack with your gold, or trade gold for plat and buy it with plat. If you actually win packs during those runs, then you're making out like a bandit. I see no reason for all this drama and whining honestly.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 02:31 PM
My point is that you are making blanket statements off of a very limited data set. A common logical fallacy.

I hardly see how any of that matters when the event has a time limit and circumstances could easily stay exactly the same as now.

My stance is that this shouldn't be driven by RNG, and that the RNG is making this unfun for not just veterans who have grinded arena to death, but also casuals who haven't. If you want to refute that go ahead, but the data I have given is only there to showcase how bad it has been, it isn't meant to be perfect data. Feel free to refute my claims about it being wholly unfun, and ignore the data, if you have a problem with it.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 02:40 PM
I hardly see how any of that matters when the event has a time limit and circumstances could easily stay exactly the same as now.

My stance is that this shouldn't be driven by RNG, and that the RNG is making this unfun for not just veterans who have grinded arena to death, but also casuals who haven't. If you want to refute that go ahead, but the data I have given is only there to showcase how bad it has been, it isn't meant to be perfect data. Feel free to refute my claims about it being wholly unfun, and ignore the data, if you have a problem with it.

But you are saying it is fun due to RNG and you support the horrible RNG with terrible data. I don't need to refute your claim of "unfunness" if the data you are backing it up with is flawed.

I already said that I agree with some of what you said I just don't think you are presenting it very well.

If you asked me whether or not black jack is fun after I won or after I lost you would get wholly different answers. Same with poker. Same with any event that has an element of RNG. Generally speaking these things are fun over the course of time because of their RNG despite the fluctuations up and down.

Now the amount of layering CZE does with the RNG can get pretty ridiculous in my mind. RNG games, RNG pack generation, RNG pack results etc etc etc. There are relatively few RNG free areas of the game unless you want to play the auction house which is wholly a terrible game. All things in moderation I think.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 02:49 PM
But you just summed up my complaint in a nutshell - RNG everywhere, and that does not a good game make.

Even if I luck into a primal, that doesn't negate all the times I didn't (which could be literally hundreds of packs without a single one.) And at least primals aren't like this event which is behind a time barrier, which has layers of RNG behind that.

Not to mention the 15 packs have pretty poor drops (why are the equipment so common? Stop giving us so much, PLEASE. I only need 1 piece, not 3.)

Prominis
08-01-2015, 02:58 PM
I got 5 packs in 8 games in PG earlier today not that i think it matters but im not a DC 4 of those packs were 13/14 packs. RNG will be very random and i now have a bowl full of jelly from my friends.

Having spent my fair share of time in arena and a tiny amount of time in PG, these are my current averages.

Arena: One pack per 6-7 hours of grinding. I've gotten three so far from Arena (around 20 hours so far, one full run about each hour).
PG: One pack per ten minutes. I've gotten two so far, from about twenty minutes of play in the proving grounds.

Gotta love Kismet's whims. That being said, back to the arena.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 03:24 PM
But you just summed up my complaint in a nutshell - RNG everywhere, and that does not a good game make.

Even if I luck into a primal, that doesn't negate all the times I didn't (which could be literally hundreds of packs without a single one.) And at least primals aren't like this event which is behind a time barrier, which has layers of RNG behind that.

Not to mention the 15 packs have pretty poor drops (why are the equipment so common? Stop giving us so much, PLEASE. I only need 1 piece, not 3.)

If you get extra storm coats send em my way

a-V-e-n
08-01-2015, 03:26 PM
ITT: F2P players that are now getting enormous real money value for just playing arena but complaining like they were losing something :O

Hadry
08-01-2015, 03:30 PM
Finally after 10 or so runs, i got a 13/14 pack with a mecerany wop. I hope i can get another before the event end :<.
The only thing that make me a bit sad is that the arena is in such a poor state during the event (adamant bug, the loot bug, etc). I understand that things was too close to fix all of this, but atleast a word about would have been nice. Its the only way to farm for PvE players and the packs give mostly PvE stuffs. Atleast i was able to get a bit, but i can understand it can be frustrating for others, specially when the drops wont come back anymore.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 03:38 PM
ITT: F2P players that are now getting enormous real money value for just playing arena but complaining like they were losing something :O

ITT: People who just did 12 or so drafts as well as arena runs are complaining about the arena rates being too low (hint, its me.)

Seriously, there is a reason to complain, because there are several factors causing a massive imbalance (the rarity increases the price, and the rarity also screws over anyone who is unlucky/inefficient, not to mention the paid players tend to have better decks, plus DC...)

Instead of being condescending maybe you could try a little sympathy - because casual and free to play people are not getting anywhere near as good a deal as the people who have luck or money.

Mike411
08-01-2015, 03:39 PM
I think the drop rate is decent based off what I'm seeing and what people are reporting in the thread. And that's good, as the rewards are PVE.

Late edit: Nevermind, the stuff from the 2015 pack is too hard to get, so drop rate is not sufficient I feel.

Prominis
08-01-2015, 03:45 PM
I think the drop rate is decent based off what I'm seeing and what people are reporting in the thread. And that's good, as the rewards are PVE.

*whispers into your ear* AA Ozawa, AA Storm Cloud, and AA Jovial Pippit (most tier 1 necessary card in the game obv) *flies off into the arena*

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 03:45 PM
I think the drop rate is decent based off what I'm seeing and what people are reporting in the thread. And that's good, as the rewards are PVE.

It might be ok if the bonus rolls were working. And while it is entirely possible that we might get those rolls retroactively, it isn't the same as getting those rolls now (when you can actually plan around the things you have.)

As it stands, doing 5 runs per drop is ridiculous. And other than a few lucky people, I am not hearing many people with better rates.

FreezingPhoenix
08-01-2015, 03:47 PM
Im at about 1 2015 pack per 6 runs.

Mike411
08-01-2015, 04:11 PM
As it stands, doing 5 runs per drop is ridiculous. And other than a few lucky people, I am not hearing many people with better rates.

When it comes to game forums and complaints, I find that most happy people tend to just stay in game and not bother to post just to say 'everything's going well'.

nicosharp
08-01-2015, 04:12 PM
When it comes to game forums and complaints, I find that most happy people tend to just stay in game and not bother to post just to say 'everything's going well'.
This is very true. LOL.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 04:19 PM
Except in this thread where a bunch of people came to brag at the start. :p (Yay anomalies!)

I do agree thats the norm, but it is echo'd ingame a lot as far as I can see, as well as in all the other non-forum places I visit - the droprate is hardly close to generous.

Boogaloo
08-01-2015, 04:19 PM
I must just be super lucky, but so far I've done two fifteen enemy runs where got a 2015 pack each, one twenty run where I got one 2015 pack, and one twenty run where I got one 2015 pack and two 2013/2014 packs (from Xarlox in the Third round):

http://s16.postimg.org/6m4ws7p2t/Convo_Arena.png

So yeah, I'm more than happy with this arrangement.

israel.kendall
08-01-2015, 04:31 PM
Plus all the arena gold, which can = more packs if you so choose.

Flairina
08-01-2015, 04:34 PM
(Not going to speak anymore, but, why do all the dungeon crawlers that get double loot keep saying THEY'RE perfectly happy? Of course they are. They get double the odds.)

Mike411
08-01-2015, 04:45 PM
I'm not sure when people talk about runs if they mean all tiers or just tier 1. I've heard good things about doing tier 1 runs then withdrawing to get more pack chances, so you may want to try that.

Hieronymous
08-01-2015, 05:00 PM
Im at about 1 2015 pack per 6 runs.

With Dungeon Crawler, I'd estimate I average about a pack every other or perhaps every third "perfect" tier. I very rarely get anything from non-perfect tiers.

It's worth doing but there's a tradeoff. Timewise it takes about as long to do the first tier four times as to do all four once. You get a lot less gold but it's easier to get a "perfect" run, which seems to increase pack chances significantly.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 05:02 PM
I'm not sure when people talk about runs if they mean all tiers or just tier 1. I've heard good things about doing tier 1 runs then withdrawing to get more pack chances, so you may want to try that.

I go for all 20 every run, because I know that Uruunaz still represents a huge gain.

TOOT
08-01-2015, 05:17 PM
Count me for one as being happy with the current rarity and scarcity of items.

How many items do you think people actually at gencon are getting? They are able to draft what, every 2hrs if they managed to even get their hands on that many tickets? How many packs do you think those guys are walking away with? If you could make more than them mindlessly farming arena, that's a bit backwards isn't it? Never mind the travel/lodging costs associated with the time commitment compared to what the average mope is doing at home for the past 3 days.

I think people are just coming to the realization that they aren't going to be able to end up with playsets of every PVP/PVE/AA card unless they have infinite hours, or prepared to pony up a lot of cash to buy everything on the AH. I am perfectly ok with this. Nothing is special about having X when 1000 other people have X.

And as said earlier, these things are great for the F2P crowd as it can get them into the game by flipping stuff to those "mopes" above. :)

It is very easy for someone not heavily invested to make a good deck to do PVP or PVE with if they put some time/effort in during these promo weekends. If they get tired of whatever deck, they can buy/sell plenty of things to use something different. Having to have 8 Slaughtergear whatever, and a pile of AA whatever, just sitting there collecting virtual dust while you actually play with something else 95% of the time, shouldn't be a deterrent to the current setup.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 05:19 PM
TOOT, they don't have to draft to get packs, just play games. The drafts are for the posters. (Although they probably get packs on top of that just for playing.) Also, the event will still be going when they get back, so they can spend a little time grinding if they want. Chances are their rates are easily within some of the highest around if they were dedicated.

TOOT
08-01-2015, 05:27 PM
There are still X amount of computers. Us "mopes" definitely have a shot to come close if not exceed what they are getting, but that's really besides the main point.

You'd be a lot happier just enjoying all the stuff you do have and are in the position to get whatever you want if you so desire. Sure, you may have to cough something else in your collection, but its silly to think anything is actually inaccessible.

dogmod
08-01-2015, 05:41 PM
I am just enjoying xenavire being the whiner instead of the white knight ;o

ThomasHunter
08-01-2015, 05:56 PM
The simple solution to this all, is give everyone 4x of all convocation cards.

I find an event like this ultimately frustrating.
It's one thing to infuse the game for F2P to profit, but it's another thing to lock PvE content behind timed events and paywalls.
I know this was the games overall intention, but for people on the ground from the beginning, you are passively forcing us to play.

Players must sacrifice time now, instead than obscene amounts of money later, to enjoy all aspects of PvE from a strategic deckbuilding standpoint.

As if it wasn't enough to lock PvE content behind RNG Gambling on chests from PvP packs..


And now, the AI already on its deathbed since the AoM patch, has finally gone into cardiac arrest.

I do agree about the frustrating part and I think they could have given everyone (with an active account) maybe 1x or 2x each PVE CARD and let the rest be random at about the same drop rate. This is the type of decision that has ultimately led me to "leave" that other game.

I simply don't buy into the thought that these cards should have all that much "value". Come on. People should be able to make fun decks with these cards. Since there aren't enough out there, it just isn't going to happen and that is indeed, frustrating.

The Convocation should be HIGHLY participatory instead of grind-y.

Xenavire
08-01-2015, 05:58 PM
People always get the wrong impression of me. They think I am a one trick pony, yet I can annoy people in hundreds of ways. ;)

Hieronymous
08-01-2015, 06:07 PM
People always get the wrong impression of me. They think I am a one trick pony, yet I can annoy people in hundreds of ways. ;)

Honestly dude it sounds like you're getting a *little* burned out, which actually makes sense because we've had two mega-weekends right in a row BAM BAM with no break or letup.

Honestly I'm on my second wind -- the release weekend kinda burned me out because I had a really hard time getting a hang of drafting the new set.

Prominis
08-01-2015, 06:14 PM
You know what they should do?
Give everyone one copy of all the equipment, then raise the chances of the equipment dropping from the packs to nearly 95%.

Guaranteed happy customers, because according to roll and drop and pull numbers, all we want is equipment right?

Mahes
08-01-2015, 06:26 PM
Well,

I have done four Arena runs. 26 chest chances with 2 packs won. I got another from a draft. I cannot complain. From rolling the gold on chests, I got both the common and rare sleaves from Set 3 along with an AA Ashenwood. The packs had a Merc, an AA Storm of the Century and an AA storm cloud. So far so good.

Showsni
08-01-2015, 08:55 PM
Really, the time you've spent in arena or the amount of runs you've finished doesn't tell us much. Say how many loot drops you got instead. I've had three 2013/14 packs and seventeen 2015 packs from 180 arena loot drops. That's 1.7% chance and 9.4% chance respectively (though a small sample size). It took me 7 hours, 46 minutes and 27 seconds; that means it would have taken a non DC twice as long, about 15 and a half hours, for the same twenty packs. That's certainly a faster rate than draft, even for non DCs.

Barkam
08-01-2015, 09:08 PM
DC bonus helps for the convocation packs?

IronPheasant
08-01-2015, 10:13 PM
Been on an upswing, that miserable rngesus funk seems to have shaken off and no more 400 gold arena runs today. (Though my clearing pot is still ~6000 gold or less. How you get so low, gold drops?!)

Current status for me:

32 - Lewts
4 - 2015 Booster Chests

For a running total of 12.5%.

You know when you perfect tier 3, and instead of giving you an extra lewt it takes a strike off of your record? That always haunts me.

Showsni
08-02-2015, 12:04 AM
You know when you perfect tier 3, and instead of giving you an extra lewt it takes a strike off of your record? That always haunts me.

Ha, just make sure to never get a strike in the first place. ;)

I actually use that free strike removal for speedrunning. If you're lucky with when Hogarth gives challenges, you can get a clear of the arena with only 6 fights against regular enemies and 3 against bosses, forfeiting all the rest as soon as possible. Obviously a bad idea for farming packs, though.

Oli
08-02-2015, 12:13 AM
I think the main problem is all the different packs you need.
It would have been a better idea to put more independent cards in the packs.
If you want to build a themed PvE-deck you need 4 of each card, and all of the equipment. That's 22 packs (22 gauntlets for example).
If you got 5 during the event I don't see anybody but the hardcore-fans trying to acquire the missing rest.

The 2013/14 packs are far superior. In each pack you can find something cool. In the 2015 pack you know right from the start the only thing you can do is sell the pack or contest...

Xexist
08-02-2015, 01:01 AM
What they should have done is when you get a pack, have a 1% chance of spawning a primal convo pack, which has 3 cards instead of 1 :p

FreezingPhoenix
08-02-2015, 02:24 AM
With Dungeon Crawler, I'd estimate I average about a pack every other or perhaps every third "perfect" tier. I very rarely get anything from non-perfect tiers.

It's worth doing but there's a tradeoff. Timewise it takes about as long to do the first tier four times as to do all four once. You get a lot less gold but it's easier to get a "perfect" run, which seems to increase pack chances significantly.

Maybe I'll try that today. I was just doing all for champion runs. So about 7 chests per run, 143 chests, only 6 packs (all 2015). Seems my luck is all used up in the release celebration weekend, where I got 4 dukes in 4 gauntlets. At least I got alot of gold.

starwing
08-02-2015, 02:31 AM
Isn't it 1 pack for each perfect tier in the arena? I get one for every perfect tier, and none if I took a loss. The pack is displayed when you beat the boss, and it might not be displayed again at the end when you collect your prizes--but it'll be in your inventory stash.

Good luck everyone! :cool:

essif
08-02-2015, 02:39 AM
I have done 6 full clears, and I think 4 perfect and gotten one 2015 pack

Larux
08-02-2015, 02:56 AM
Isn't it 1 pack for each perfect tier in the arena? I get one for every perfect tier, and none if I took a loss. The pack is displayed when you beat the boss, and it might not be displayed again at the end when you collect your prizes--but it'll be in your inventory stash.

Good luck everyone! :cool:

Nope. I did two perfect runs of 20 in a row. I managed to get two 2015 packs and one 2013/2014 so I don't think it matters if you manage to complete the tiers perfect or not.

IronPheasant
08-02-2015, 03:18 AM
I'll admit I was a little surprised when a boss dropped 2 of'em at the same time. They are a little more generous than the 2 to 5% I expected them to drop at.

starwing
08-02-2015, 06:47 AM
Nope. I did two perfect runs of 20 in a row. I managed to get two 2015 packs and one 2013/2014 so I don't think it matters if you manage to complete the tiers perfect or not.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you'll get some to drop because it seems very strange that you wouldn't have gotten some! I just wanted to remind you to check your inventory to see if any dropped but were not displayed--that happened to me last night, and when I went to open a chest, I saw a box with an invisible pack at the bottom of my stashed items, and it was the convocation pack.

Makaan
08-02-2015, 07:00 AM
~75 - Loot
2 - 2015 Booster Packs

Prominis
08-02-2015, 07:01 AM
I can clear in about an hour, typically at least two tiers being perfect (if not all), so I usually get about 5-6 loot drops. That'd put me at around 120-140 ish drops.
With that in mind, my average is one pack per 24-28 loot drops.

So fancy.

Aradon
08-02-2015, 08:43 AM
Ran like eight runs last night while playing Pathfinder online. About half the tiers were perfects, and got no packs whatsoever. So for all those stories about getting one for every perfect tier, just remember that RNG is RNG.

Mahes
08-02-2015, 08:56 AM
I think the problem was that you were not concentrating on Hex. The game can tell when you are doing something else while playing it. Kismet does not appreciate that. So no packs for you.

Marsden
08-02-2015, 09:47 AM
I wish they were still using the old plan where chests generated during gencon would contain the bonuses. This seems to be making things much rarer than I thought they would be.

Ben
08-02-2015, 09:50 AM
I have DC and get at least one pack per 1-20 clear, if not more. Even got two packs from a single tier, cannot imagine that the drop rate is too low. RNG is RNG though ._.