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iplayfromwork
04-11-2016, 05:16 AM
It will be appropriate to give a rough background to illustrate my thoughts.

I have played MTG (physical cards) and Hearthstone @ Legend level, I have started Hex approximately 1-2 months ago; I would have started/backed Hex earlier if I heard about it (psst your marketing team!), but it never came to my ears till recently. There are a couple of people I know around me who are card game fanatics, and whom I believe who would love a game like Hex but have never heard of it.

The kickstarter rewards are pretty significant, and imo, something desirable for someone who is seriously interested in this game. It irks me that I have no legit method of getting it now (apart from illegal 3rd party buying), not for a lack of interest, but a lack of outreach by Hex (it is my humble opinion that your marketing efforts are still lacklusterous, though this might be intentional till Hex is more developed).

Would it be possible to put in some legit methods to obtain those kickstarter rewards? I understand the importance granting privilege to people who were with you since the beginning; perhaps a multiplication in price increase for the same tier would suffice as a arbitrary mental barrier?

As it stands now, I have 2 options

1) Ask for this to be implemented in an official legit manner; this which is the purpose of this post.
2) Failing which, resort to 3rd parties site which means Hex gets non of my cash (believe me I would rather give it to Hex than a 3rd party to encourage development), and run the risk of getting scammed at the same time

Random ranting :(

Kami
04-11-2016, 06:23 AM
This has been brought up several, several times in the past.

Long story short, it won't happen - both for official support of code trading and/or making the backer awards available again.

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I fully understand where you're coming from though. It's practically impossible to collect everything in the game. It's just one of those things you have to come to terms with.

Additionally, as other people have stated in the past, people backed this game... when it didn't even exist yet. Frankly speaking, with the lawsuit (that's over and done with), there was massive risk to what could have happened to the game. Sure, you missed out on backing it either due to not knowing about it or not being able to at the time but it happens to everyone. Heck, I missed Skreens on Kickstarter (http://skreens.com/) - would've backed the hell out of this. :stormcloud:

Enjoy the game for what it is now and what it will become. Don't think too much about what a tiny minority of the people have (and we do have some estimated stats on that).

nicosharp
04-11-2016, 07:54 AM
Your posts don't portray you as someone that would have backed for the cards had you been given the chance. I 100% agree with Kami's response.


I'm bored to death :/ Playing Dota 2 till the update hits lol.

Not a fan of paying to enter tournaments, there basically ain't much to do in Hex for players like me who don't wish to spend too much $$ in games.

iplayfromwork
04-11-2016, 08:07 AM
There is only so much you can do when the content is too easy currently

Yoss
04-11-2016, 08:09 AM
...I have no legit method of getting it now (apart from illegal 3rd party buying)...

There's nothing illegal about selling KS codes, you just can't do it on these forums. It's actually quite easy to go buy codes 3rd party. It is expensive and risky, but not illegal.

Tazelbain
04-11-2016, 08:17 AM
I doubt I would be as invested (if at all) in Hex if I hadn't gambled the money on a Grand King KS. So while I don't necessarily think they should offer the same thing again, some new package that lets new generation players get invested seems like a great idea to me.

iplayfromwork
04-11-2016, 08:19 AM
There's nothing illegal about selling KS codes, you just can't do it on these forums. It's actually quite easy to go buy codes 3rd party. It is expensive and risky, but not illegal.

This doesn't solves the issue with Hex not getting the cut.

To quote Terry Pratchett - "Crime was always with us, he reasoned, and therefore, if you were going to have crime, it at least should be organized crime."

Yoss
04-11-2016, 08:21 AM
This doesn't solves the issue with Hex not getting the cut.

To quote Terry Pratchett - "Crime was always with us, he reasoned, and therefore, if you were going to have crime, it at least should be organized crime."

Irrelevant. Hex already got its money from the KS codes. The codes now live on as collectibles with no further involvement from the manufacturer.

iplayfromwork
04-11-2016, 08:23 AM
Irrelevant. Hex already got its money from the KS codes. The codes now live on as collectibles with no further involvement from the manufacturer.

They can potentially get more, as to reiterate; I would rather my money goes to Hex so I can support them directly.

Superjuice
04-11-2016, 10:05 AM
You can support them directly by buying platinum. Buying a code for 4x its original value (through risky channels) is your other option but they aren't going to go out of their way to disenfranchise the thousands of backers who contributed millions of dollars to the games development. It is frustrating to have missed out on that value, but that's how it is.

XyZyddious
04-11-2016, 10:58 PM
I can say I sympathize with you. I found out about this game after the KickStarter had already ended which meant not KickStarter tiers for the KickStarter prices. After a while and thanks to a great friend, I was able to get my hands on an after market Grand King, Collector, ProPlayer and King Codes (not in that order). There might still few codes out there that have not been redeemed, and while risky it is possible to obtain them still them. Please keep in mind you will be paying 4-6x the original KickStarter prices.

Lothlorien
04-13-2016, 04:32 AM
When I backed the game on KS, it was unclear whether the game would be successful, or even finished, at some point in the future. It was a significant risk. I was lucky, but it took much, much longer than expected to get where we are now. Giving new codes to people "after the fact" would be unfair, don't you think?

Kjhasd
04-13-2016, 02:40 PM
Hey dude, I feel the same. I'm a slacker backer and I paid to have 1/4 things of a normal backer. HEX is a very nice game, and Cryptozoic is doing a very good job.
I hope they can go ahead and become the new WotC, really, but my suggestion for you and the new players is: don't spend real money in this game if you are not a pro-player (and even if you are a pro, think twice befor buying a tier-1 deck). Play (from work, of course) and play again (PVE, draft and sealed are nice things), but don't put $ to become competitive, because ks backers are, and will be, always over to you as their rewards, and buying a ks code for about a 1000$... well, there is something better, for sure!

Feel free to add me if you want to speak again, and welcome to the "sad non ks players"!

PS: don't listen to the "I backed the game and it was a risk"... many games are founded just in 2-3 days after the project is posted, so I guess their risk was pretty low. I've backed about a week after the ks project was close, and my reward was poor for the money spent, so don't feel bad!

nicosharp
04-13-2016, 03:12 PM
PS: don't listen to the "I backed the game and it was a risk"... many games are founded just in 2-3 days after the project is posted, so I guess their risk was pretty low. I've backed about a week after the ks project was close, and my reward was poor for the money spent, so don't feel bad!
While the general idea, I believe you are trying to share here is roughly true, it's also coated in some cynicism...

For example, telling a new player that is interested in playing in tournaments to not spend any real money on the game is not good advice at face value. If you wanted to elaborate more and say they could earn the currency for real money modes through grinding PvE, that would be more accurate. Just like with anything in life... time = money. Being a pro player or a shit player should have nothing to do with how you enjoy your luxury time and what you spend to do it.

The slacker backer you have was not a poor reward for the money spent.
It just was not the same caliber as nearly the same for the KS (like the $50 Captain's tier).

KS backers that use the risk excuse may be a little off-base, but not entirely. The game could have flopped at any time or could have been scrapped. it definitely was not as developed as backers were lead to believe, which was a 2+ year frustration point for almost all 17k+ backers. Again time = money, and in this case, the real catch for any KS backed game with exclusive rewards has to do with spending the money at the right time with no immediate gains or benefits for doing so.

There is a reason why people pay interest on credit card debt.

Yoss
04-13-2016, 05:28 PM
...my suggestion for you and the new players is: don't spend real money in this game if you are not a pro-player (and even if you are a pro, think twice befor buying a tier-1 deck). Play (from work, of course) and play again (PVE, draft and sealed are nice things), but don't put $ to become competitive, because ks backers are, and will be, always over to you as their rewards, and buying a ks code for about a 1000$... well, there is something better, for sure!

Are you trying to say that paying a lot of money will make you win competitive Hex? I sure hope not, because that's entirely false.
Are you trying to say that a player who pays more will always win? Again, false.

Fateanomaly
04-13-2016, 06:28 PM
KS rewards doesn't give you any benefits in pvp matches. For the same amount that they paid for their high tier you could have gotten a tier1 deck too.

XyZyddious
04-13-2016, 06:41 PM
Are you trying to say that paying a lot of money will make you win competitive Hex? I sure hope not, because that's entirely false.
Are you trying to say that a player who pays more will always win? Again, false.

True Dat!

@Kjhasd
I am a prime example of a backer who sucks at drafting, I am proof your reasoning is flawed. While the rewards are great it does not make you a good player or guarantee wins.

Kjhasd
04-14-2016, 09:00 AM
Well, maybe I've not explained well my opinion. Draft and sealed, paying real money, are very nice tournaments and I encourage to play that, even for a bad player, because the game itself is really good and fun.
It's the constructed (or league) I don't encourage, because I can't compete with my deck against a, for example, 4x vampire king and 4x killipede. You can be the worst player in the world, but with the right deck you have a high advantage (mtg docet). So, imo, put the money in draft, but not in buying pvp cards.

Warrender
04-14-2016, 09:49 AM
So, imo, put the money in draft, but not in buying pvp cards.

But what if you don't like draft, but like Constructed?

Yoss
04-14-2016, 01:21 PM
Well, maybe I've not explained well my opinion. Draft and sealed, paying real money, are very nice tournaments and I encourage to play that, even for a bad player, because the game itself is really good and fun.
It's the constructed (or league) I don't encourage, because I can't compete with my deck against a, for example, 4x vampire king and 4x killipede. You can be the worst player in the world, but with the right deck you have a high advantage (mtg docet). So, imo, put the money in draft, but not in buying pvp cards.

I think I understand your frustration, but you're not articulating it very well. A bad player with cheap cards will probably lose. A bad player with expensive cards will probably lose, but less often than the previous. A good player with cheap cards might win. A good player with expensive cards has only skill and luck to blame for losing. You're right in that there is a certain "buy in just to sit at the table" so to speak (for those who like poker), but once you buy in there's no further advantage to spending money, it's all skill and luck from there.

Kjhasd
04-15-2016, 01:26 AM
But what if you don't like draft, but like Constructed?

Well, I replied to a question and I'm speaking for me. If you like constructed you should spend some money and play constructed, but when another release is out a ks backer has the plat or free cards from that set and should be competitive without spending so much money, while you must re-arrange your deck with your credit card! (it's a forced example obviously).

Kjhasd
04-15-2016, 01:35 AM
I think I understand your frustration, but you're not articulating it very well. A bad player with cheap cards will probably lose. A bad player with expensive cards will probably lose, but less often than the previous. A good player with cheap cards might win. A good player with expensive cards has only skill and luck to blame for losing. You're right in that there is a certain "buy in just to sit at the table" so to speak (for those who like poker), but once you buy in there's no further advantage to spending money, it's all skill and luck from there.

Excuse me, I haven't understood the post. But I'm not so frustrated... I'd like to play PVE and draft, and this game has more and more to offer.
Yes, I'll "blame" myself for the slacker backer, because I'm grinding hard to have a 1x of something that a ks backer has in 10x (not all, but I've seen some collections and read some posts about opening 200+ chest...), but I'm enjoying HEX like the first time I discovered mtg. And yes, if someone ask me how to spend his money, I'll tell him the exact words I've wrote in the first post.