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fido_one
04-15-2016, 10:16 AM
https://www.hextcg.com/new-hex-forums-coming/

To set the tone on this thread, for all that want to argue 'x should have come before this', realize that A) gameforge seems to be spearheading this, not HexEnt and B) this is the exact sort of thing in software development that you can not time with things in the client, or even things like another set.

I think this is great news. We have overloaded the current forum software.

Erukk
04-15-2016, 10:20 AM
It's a welcome surprise. I just hope one of the next things they change is their main website with all that horribly outdated information.

fido_one
04-15-2016, 10:22 AM
It's a welcome surprise. I just hope one of the next things they change is their main website with all that horribly outdated information.

Agreed, the front page is super confusing and convoluted and detracts from the awesome articles they publish on it. If this new forum doesn't herald a new front page set up immediately, it's still a good indicator that it is being re-evaluated and considered for a re-haul at some point probably.

Vorsa
04-15-2016, 10:23 AM
Yar; I give this news 3 cheers for clearing the old info off before the influx of new players. :)

Cernz
04-15-2016, 10:27 AM
buh :( so i will lose my nice title ;( :) damn ! :D

ossuary
04-15-2016, 10:29 AM
I don't see why they can't merge old forum accounts into new forum accounts to make our history carry over. They're cloning the posts, why can't they clone the accounts? Just give us a one-time form to attach our old accounts on each site to our new account, and make the posts from both be our account history. That way, nobody loses their post history or their post counts, it's a merging of both. No need to leave one group or the other out. :p

fido_one
04-15-2016, 10:34 AM
I don't see why they can't merge old forum accounts into new forum accounts to make our history carry over. They're cloning the posts, why can't they clone the accounts? Just give us a one-time form to attach our old accounts on each site to our new account, and make the posts from both be our account history. That way, nobody loses their post history or their post counts, it's a merging of both. No need to leave one group or the other out. :p

I've had direct experience with this before though I don't know anything about the new forum software. Almost always boils down to the following:

Is it possible? Probably.
How long will it take? A real, real long time and a lot of heavy lifting. (think exporting meta-data after a custom code, refilling it, altering code so you still have dates and the correct posters, secondary and tertiary systems like PMs that are far from easy to separate even though they look like it to the user, etc. etc.)
Is it worth going through that work? Almost certainly not.

Whatever area or group is spearheading it, the return of porting over messages to specific accounts is almost surely not worth it. We'll get over it, as they said, maybe we'll get a badge or something for all of our posts.

Thoom
04-15-2016, 10:36 AM
Also there's a whole bag of worms for what to do with someone who had accounts on both previous forums. It's just not worth the effort.

bootlace
04-15-2016, 10:42 AM
This forum merging was necessary (although I'm not convinced the GF forums were ever 'a thing' with its English section having less than 1% of the posts on these official forums). I think combining sites might make sense too but I have a feeling GF would want to do that on their own domain which I think would be confusing.

Here's hoping the forum software they used is a good choice. I have experience using something like Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/) and it's really amazing. But quotes like this doesn't exactly inspire confidence:


The Login form at the top of the pop-up is only for us: HEX Entertainment and Gameforge employees who actually need another level of access to the forums. Nothing for you to worry about.

nicosharp
04-15-2016, 10:47 AM
My gut told me the forum merger would be a gameforge maintained take-over. Meh, no worries, embrace the change.

fido_one
04-15-2016, 10:50 AM
This forum merging was necessary (although I'm not convinced the GF forums were ever 'a thing' with its English section having less than 1% of the posts on these official forums). I think combining sites might make sense too but I have a feeling GF would want to do that on their own domain which I think would be confusing.

Here's hoping the forum software they used is a good choice. I have experience using something like Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/) and it's really amazing. But quotes like this doesn't exactly inspire confidence:

Yeah, I've implemented Discourse a few times for personal projects, it's friggin' AWESOME.

I can't find their software, are they talking about grepping World of Tanks forum engine?

ossuary
04-15-2016, 10:51 AM
I agree that depending on what their current system looks like, it could be a pain. However, I have specifically done this before and did the entire thing with an automated script to merge the two accounts / histories. All that was kept was post history (and thus counts), nothing else was moved over. I just figured since they were specifically keeping the old posts, it shouldn't actually be much of a problem to keep the poster's ID and point them to the new account.

hex_colin
04-15-2016, 10:52 AM
Not sure I want to be logging into the forums with my game account information without the benefit of my authenticator. Too much to lose.

fido_one
04-15-2016, 10:54 AM
Not sure I want to be logging into the forums with my game account information without the benefit of my authenticator. Too much to lose.

Is it confirmed no authenticator access with the new forums? Doesn't the existing authenticator access go through gameforge anyway? Maybe they have plans to implement it in for a forum log-in if one chooses, or at least get there sooner as it's in the same wheel-house.

nicosharp
04-15-2016, 10:58 AM
Not sure I want to be logging into the forums with my game account information without the benefit of my authenticator. Too much to lose.

Even the current game forge account login's require auth.. So, I highly doubt it will be any different.

Kami
04-15-2016, 10:58 AM
When this happens, might want a dedicated link to the official forums from Steam somewhere.

szimek
04-15-2016, 10:59 AM
Not sure I want to be logging into the forums with my game account information without the benefit of my authenticator. Too much to lose.

from one side i agree, but because i don't have Android or iOS on my phone i have to use authenticator on my PC, so now i will be able to visit forums only from home :/ because of that i wouldn't mind different login for the game and other for the forums that doesn't need auth.

hex_colin
04-15-2016, 11:00 AM
Even the current game forge account login's require auth.. So, I highly doubt it will be any different.

Shows you how long it's been since I logged into GF then. ;)

Gwaer
04-15-2016, 11:15 AM
I don't really care about the post counts, as long as the actual content gets migrated over and is searchable/linkable. I've long given up my quest to have top post count. Quality over quantity as they say. =P

Another piece of information that i'd have liked is the url of the new forums. I've hoped for a migration to forums.hextcg.com or hextcg.com/forums or something similar. I don't particularly like the idea of it being hosted at any given company since things can happen with publishers and developers, but the game is pretty much hextcg forever.

ossuary
04-15-2016, 11:23 AM
TBH it's not even really the post count that bothers me. What I'm more concerned about is that if everyone starts at zero at the same time as we have a huge influx of new players, things could get really nasty around here. The forums have always had a certain amount of "voice of experience" from a smallish group of us, and it would be a shame to see that go away. And just handing out a "beta" badge to every single person who had an active account prior to the switchover doesn't really solve that, either. It's something that ought to be considered.

Svenn
04-15-2016, 11:35 AM
My post count. :(

Sergan
04-15-2016, 11:37 AM
forums in gameforge?
bah.. that lame.. =/

Gwaer
04-15-2016, 11:38 AM
That's a fair point i guess. Dunno how accurate it is. There are some very inspired posts i've seen brushed aside because they were people with low post counts. I think it cuts both directions, but it could be useful to have people that are immediately identifiable as been around the block a few times for new players...

Saeijou
04-15-2016, 11:43 AM
and i was so close to my 5k posts for challenging a dev... *cough* ;)

Showsni
04-15-2016, 11:51 AM
Does that mean we lose our usernames?

Kroan
04-15-2016, 11:55 AM
Good by forums. I never knew you!

Xenavire
04-15-2016, 11:56 AM
and i was so close to my 5k posts for challenging a dev... *cough* ;)

Pfft, you think thats bad? I wasted all my milestones by not using them.

P.S. @Gwaer - I have been of the same mind lately for quality over quantity. It will sting to not be top dog in the postcount though, as I stand to lose the most of all of us.

I never even got a title for hitting 10k, such a waste haha.

KingGabriel
04-15-2016, 11:59 AM
Well they can't take my reddit title away from me :P

Oli
04-15-2016, 12:01 PM
Instead of the old, slightly unwieldy dropdown sections, you can simply choose which language you wish to see and the forum will display the appropriate content. Easy as that!

Will it be possible to see the content of 2 languages together?
My native language is German, but as it's more likely to get a broader discussion in the english forums I would like to read these too...

Yoss
04-15-2016, 01:04 PM
TBH it's not even really the post count that bothers me. What I'm more concerned about is that if everyone starts at zero at the same time as we have a huge influx of new players, things could get really nasty around here. The forums have always had a certain amount of "voice of experience" from a smallish group of us, and it would be a shame to see that go away. And just handing out a "beta" badge to every single person who had an active account prior to the switchover doesn't really solve that, either. It's something that ought to be considered.

This. I really don't like that all my work here is essentially being erased and/or made anonymous. Heck, my IGN doesn't even match my CZE forum name.

I'm also not a fan of the SSO for this application. SSO is nice for a corporate intranet, not so much for a public forum over the web.

Why go to all this trouble when you're headed to Steam anyway? Just use the Steam forums? Since you're wiping our memory anyway, why merge 3 down to 2 instead of 3 down to 1?

nicosharp
04-15-2016, 01:10 PM
Credibility is never tied to post count. I've done a lot of stuff on these boards too, but it's time for the GameForge Assimilation. Prep cheeks for boarding.

fido_one
04-15-2016, 01:17 PM
This. I really don't like that all my work here is essentially being erased and/or made anonymous. Heck, my IGN doesn't even match my CZE forum name.

I'm also not a fan of the SSO for this application. SSO is nice for a corporate intranet, not so much for a public forum over the web.

Why go to all this trouble when you're headed to Steam anyway? Just use the Steam forums? Since you're wiping our memory anyway, why merge 3 down to 2 instead of 3 down to 1?

Honestly, I have been thinking with some major shifts in tone from Hexent as of late to disengage with the forums to a degree. This new system will either entice me to stick around, or I'll take up a more established residency in the Steam community.

Choice is good, this is a good time for it, especially with an influx of new players, us salty old dudes can cycle on out (not of the game mind you).

regomar
04-15-2016, 01:38 PM
I find this highly disappointing. I don't like the idea of logging in over a browser with my in-game credentials, and I'd rather frequent this board than something run by Gameforge. Maybe I'll just stay on the Steam forums, provided they don't completely suck.

Also, why is there this confusing and unfriendly 'Log in as third party' nonsense when you log in? It makes no sense to me but I haven't seen anyone else comment on it.

Color me disappointed.

If it's not broke, why fix it?

ossuary
04-15-2016, 01:53 PM
Yeah, I wasn't really looking at that before, but it seems ridiculous to put the admin login by default (something 0.0001% of the userbase will need), and have EVERYONE else have to click an extra button to get to the "real" user login. That's just nonsense. Have it log you in as a regular user by default, and admins can push a special extra button that says "admin login." It's silly to do it any other way.

Mejis
04-15-2016, 02:09 PM
Not sure I want to be logging into the forums with my game account information without the benefit of my authenticator. Too much to lose.

This was my first thought too. Thankfully I use the authenticator for the game, which probably should become mandatory with this merger, no?

incitfulmonk21
04-15-2016, 02:14 PM
Yeah logging into the forumns with my account name. Yikes. I guess I can just use my alt account since I don't use it for anything important but that really is a terrible idea asking for trouble.

hammer
04-15-2016, 02:19 PM
Seen forum overhauls kill great communities before...

Yoss
04-15-2016, 02:49 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think I'll either head over to the Steam Hex forum (which is likely to never move and hopefully won't demand my real login) or just stop bothering with this part of my community involvement. I've already spent (given the subject of this thread, perhaps "wasted" is the better word) too much of my time here anyway. If anyone would like to take over the Unofficial Features & Milestones List, let me know, otherwise I'll probably just let it fade away.

I'll still play the actual game often.

fido_one
04-15-2016, 02:53 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think I'll either head over to the Steam Hex forum (which is likely to never move and hopefully won't demand my real login) or just stop bothering with this part of my community involvement. I've already spent (given the subject of this thread, perhaps "wasted" is the better word) too much of my time here anyway. If anyone would like to take over the Unofficial Features & Milestones List, let me know, otherwise I'll probably just let it fade away.

I'll still play the actual game often.

Exactly my thoughts. If the new forum is all that it'll keep me around and involved but it's probably about time for me to disengage. I've noticed I've gotten saltier with things here as time has gone on. Maybe it's time for a new start and this is the perfect opportunity to do so. That doesn't mean I'll be playing the game any less, if anything, I'll probably be playing it more.

fido_one
04-15-2016, 03:10 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think I'll either head over to the Steam Hex forum (which is likely to never move and hopefully won't demand my real login) or just stop bothering with this part of my community involvement. I've already spent (given the subject of this thread, perhaps "wasted" is the better word) too much of my time here anyway. If anyone would like to take over the Unofficial Features & Milestones List, let me know, otherwise I'll probably just let it fade away.

I'll still play the actual game often.

Yoss, I'm torn on if you should continue that list or not. I think you did an AMAZING job with it and it was such a great touchstone for the community. But I think the KS focus is going to go with the switches as of late (which is fine). That and HexEnt has taken a much more reserved stance on communicating in general with the forums which is one of the reasons I have started to lose interest in the frays here. I think the lack of engagement [in this particular manner, HexEnt still engages in other awesome ways] makes that list especially difficult for someone to put TLC into and feel like there is a good payoff.

Regardless, it was something I used to check regularly and helped with my excitement for the game, so thank you for it.

Azrhyn
04-15-2016, 03:22 PM
I'm sad to see the forums go like this. This has been a great community, even for us long time lurkers.

Gwaer
04-15-2016, 03:23 PM
Depending on where the forum is parked I might see you guys over on the steam forums instead too. If the forum is parked at hextcg.com then maybe I'll try to do both. *shrug*

fido_one
04-15-2016, 03:24 PM
I'm sad to see the forums go like this. This has been a great community, even for us long time lurkers.

Dude this post is dropping the feckin' mic on lurking. Hats off to you sir! See you in game I hope.

Gwaer
04-15-2016, 03:25 PM
Dude this post is dropping the feckin' mic on lurking. Hats off to you sir! See you in game I hope.

Lol I agree. Lurking for as long as I've been posting. Well played.

WolfCrypt
04-15-2016, 03:50 PM
I hope we can get avs in the new forums it always bugged me we couldn't except mods.

majin
04-15-2016, 04:25 PM
as long as they moderate it properly, I can live with this change

bootlace
04-15-2016, 04:25 PM
Honestly, I have been thinking with some major shifts in tone from Hexent as of late to disengage with the forums to a degree. This new system will either entice me to stick around, or I'll take up a more established residency in the Steam community.

Choice is good, this is a good time for it, especially with an influx of new players, us salty old dudes can cycle on out (not of the game mind you).


The more I think about it, the more I think I'll either head over to the Steam Hex forum (which is likely to never move and hopefully won't demand my real login) or just stop bothering with this part of my community involvement. I've already spent (given the subject of this thread, perhaps "wasted" is the better word) too much of my time here anyway. If anyone would like to take over the Unofficial Features & Milestones List, let me know, otherwise I'll probably just let it fade away.

I'll still play the actual game often.


Depending on where the forum is parked I might see you guys over on the steam forums instead too. If the forum is parked at hextcg.com then maybe I'll try to do both. *shrug*

Would suck seeing long time forum contributors go, especially at this critical juncture when we're about to be flooded with new, largely uninformed players. I don't know if it's the signaled scaling back in communication, the forum history wipe, the mistrust of GF, or something else but I'd wait to see how things pan out (especially with new CM inc.) before /gquit'ing.

hex_colin
04-15-2016, 04:30 PM
Would suck seeing long time forum contributors go, especially at this critical juncture when we're about to be flooded with new, largely uninformed players. I don't know if it's the signaled scaling back in communication, the forum history wipe, the mistrust of GF, or something else but I'd wait to see how things pan out (especially with new CM inc.) before /gquit'ing.

Unfortunately, it's easy to see why folks would feel that way. Easy to get lost in the crowd when everything gets reset. :(

RCDv57
04-15-2016, 05:33 PM
Well I am no longer special it seems.
About time too.

05K4R
04-15-2016, 05:35 PM
Unfortunately, it's easy to see why folks would feel that way. Easy to get lost in the crowd when everything gets reset. :(

I think the mistrust of GameForge is a big catalyst, as it has resounded in the community since the initial announcement.

Xavon
04-15-2016, 05:50 PM
Been nice talking to you guys. I guess I'll probably still see some people in the game (once they get around to that social aspect)

superdax
04-15-2016, 06:07 PM
Seen forum overhauls kill great communities before...

Indeed, saw it myself in MTGO. IT was an active forum and they killed it ...twice..

ossuary
04-15-2016, 08:09 PM
Yeah, I don't see myself fighting to be heard on a new set of forums after they hit the reset button, when the company is clearly backing off in general from using them as a place for public discourse. There has been significantly less back and forth discussion in the last year ("come talk to me at GenCon" as the last word on hold priority, anyone?).

It'll be a shame to see this forum community transformed into just so much angry noise, like the EverQuest forums and WoW forums always were, but that seems to be the way they're headed. I'd certainly be happy to be proven wrong in this case, of course.

katkillad
04-15-2016, 08:37 PM
How is there no way to hide the employee only login stuff from players? I'm not really worried about losing post counts or whatever, hopefully they start hitting set release dates in a timely manner so I never have to visit the forums again.

Xexist
04-15-2016, 08:54 PM
Add me to the list of disgruntled former posters. Seems like HEX does nothing halfway, either they make decisions I really love or make decisions I really hate. Unfortunately the wrong side is starting to win.

WolfCrypt
04-15-2016, 10:31 PM
It seems that Hex is a bit weak willed everyone argues with them but are in general friendly yet now Hex is taking all these steps to not talk to us...

Gwaer
04-15-2016, 11:31 PM
The evolution of any game from a more indy project to a full blown production really requires this sort of change. it was bound to happen eventually. I didn't think i'd mind losing post counts and all that because they aren't really important, and was more interested in making sure the posts were preserved and the forum was moved to a non HXE/CZE/Gameforge location that could stick with the game no matter what happened. But I admit, I put a lot of work into my 8600 posts. it will be a shame to no longer get recognition for that fact.

Xexist
04-15-2016, 11:40 PM
The evolution of any game from a more indy project to a full blown production really requires this sort of change. it was bound to happen eventually. I didn't think i'd mind losing post counts and all that because they aren't really important, and was more interested in making sure the posts were preserved and the forum was moved to a non HXE/CZE/Gameforge location that could stick with the game no matter what happened. But I admit, I put a lot of work into my 8600 posts. it will be a shame to no longer get recognition for that fact.

Its not that this specifically bothers me so much. just a series of choices I dont like over time. I dont regret backing in the slightest, and like just about anyone if I could go back in time I would have backed 50 x more. Just, dont always love the direction its headed.

Thoom
04-15-2016, 11:47 PM
It seems that Hex is a bit weak willed everyone argues with them but are in general friendly yet now Hex is taking all these steps to not talk to us...

I'm utterly baffled by this interpretation. If anything, this is a step towards talking with more of the player base. Having to create a separate forums account is an additional barrier that probably stopped more than a few potential forum posters.

If they've seemed a bit quiet lately, that might have something to do with a perfect storm of:

1. Being in between community managers.
2. Being at the climax of a massive period crunch time for both the Primal Dawn and Steam releases.
3. General community hostility/unrest due to being at the tail end of the longest PvP content drought the game has had (and hopefully will ever have) making wading in and talking to us an abnormally risky proposition.

Gwaer
04-15-2016, 11:52 PM
Its not that this specifically bothers me so much. just a series of choices I dont like over time. I dont regret backing in the slightest, and like just about anyone if I could go back in time I would have backed 50 x more. Just, dont always love the direction its headed.

I know that feel. There are a number of things I'd definitely do differently. I'd have gone for a priority management system to make it easier to deal with annoying triggers, and increasing the tutorial focus on priority, what it is, how to use it, etc rather than dumping it. I'd probably go for a forced pass every couple seconds with a few minutes of 'timeout' you can toggle on to think/run to the restroom/answer the door, whatever. Anything it took to keep everything on the stack, and keeping hold priority, while also adding a bit of tension and time pressure, plus keeping the game moving, for esports and the like. Those two changes were the beginning of this game not being made 'especially for me' and instead becoming a game 'I very much enjoy'.

That said I've made some excellent friendships that I hope will follow me to many future games. I really like meeting everyone at HXE, Cory Jones, Ben Stoll, Dan Clark especially have a special place in my heart, but John Nee, Phil Cape, Mattdunn are all just fantastic. Really everyone involved in the project is awesome to hang out with. So much so that I tried very hard not talking about hex with them the last time I saw them, just in case I don't end up playing hex forever I'd like to keep in touch with those guys just the same. Some of them have a really hard time not talking about Hex though =P

WolfCrypt
04-16-2016, 12:04 AM
Ah I just heard a lot of people saying that Hex was starting to stop talking to community... Shutting up XD

chromus
04-16-2016, 03:15 AM
There are definitely some sentiments that I share with you guys. I feel sad that many awesome posts we spent countless hours on will be gone forever. Meticulously maintained lists and helpful links that enlightened so many will vanish. Forums tags and titles that gave identity or recognition to some were a nice touch and will be missed.

It's OK to take a moment to mourn and reminisce.

But it doesn't mean we should act like spoiled children and transform our bitterness into the boycott of the next chapter of the forums. Do any of you veterans think that HXE did not carefully consider this decision? Do you think they have forgotten you are the pillars that have supported and led this awesome community since its inception?

You're right that all of it was not communicated very well once again. This has always been HXE's problem and is more understandable these days where we have no Community Manager. Chark and Shaqattaq are doing their best to fill in but it isn't their job. Let's cut them some slack.

Hex is going into a new era on Tuesday. A massive population of new players will hopefully flow from the Steam launch. It's clear how critical the success of this move is to the longevity of this game - as shown by its prioritization over the Set 4 release (which I'm sure Cory wanted to see released earlier more than any of us). It seems the forums will be migrating a day or two prior to this monumental milestone.

What kind of discussion platform will await these new players? What is the tone that will be set from the get go? What shape will the new forums take? What standard will be established that will carry over to the rest of the forum's life?

HXE can't answer these questions - in fact, they have next to no control over any of it. It's up to us to keep showing our faith for the company, the developers, and the future of this game we love. It's up to us to guide the next generation of Hexers. HXE has listened to our feedback before and they have appreciated us for making this the best community in gaming. Let's not turn our back on them now when they need us the most. No one likes change but I do believe this change will be for the better in the long run. HXE has always done right by its community and I still have faith.

For what it's worth, I will be there on the launch of the new forum. Let the new chapter begin! :)

Gregangel
04-16-2016, 03:26 AM
There are definitely some sentiments that I share with you guys. I feel sad that many awesome posts we spent countless hours on will be gone forever. Meticulously maintained lists and helpful links that enlightened so many will vanish.

If i understood correctly, all the contents will me kept and tranfered into the new forum

chromus
04-16-2016, 03:30 AM
If i understood correctly, all the contents will me kept and tranfered into the new forum

Wow, you're right. With all the outcry in this thread, I somehow assumed it will all be gone. Then, the situation is even less grim than some would make it out to be.

GobBluth
04-16-2016, 04:14 AM
Wow, you're right. With all the outcry in this thread, I somehow assumed it will all be gone. Then, the situation is even less grim than some would make it out to be.

Agreed. But, they should pay special attention to ensure posts like KG's new player guide and NicoSharp's list of PVE deck strength are kept in the new forums.

fido_one
04-16-2016, 04:45 AM
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Chromus, I think some of what you say is true, but some is squarely off, especially the spoiled children bit and the boycotting. Many of the people talking about moving on are staple members of the community that are neither being whiny nor are they 'boycotting' the new forums out of anger. In fact, most of the people who said they were moving on, myself included, said that they were still going to play the game and put some of their same gusto into supporting the Steam community. IMO, that is where the focus of veteran players and community members will be needed most for this transition.

As my OP stated, I think new forums are needed and with any new forum there must be some changes that churn things up a bit, and I think we'll see that in the removal of post counts (and how they archive, as I believe the content of old forum posts will be mothballed quicker than you can blink). All of that is part of the process, and for those that are salty about those superficial changes only, they'll get over it as the allure of the forums has always been the people involved in it, not the software.

CMs included, CMs aside, the tone of HexEnt has changed radically over the years in how it engages the community. Do I like it? No. Do I think they could have done it better? Yes. Does my opinion matter in this regard? Definitely not. I'm not upset about that at all either, I have zero insight to their company, and they are obviously at a time where a lot of decisions need to be made and mining the community is not the way one does that.

I will not list the tonal changes I think that have happened in regards to engaging the community as I don't think it would be helpful nor would it underline the point I'm trying to make which is Hex is growing, the company is changing, and the community is going to change as a result of that. When a community changes, you don't really get people within that community changing, you get some, generally veteran, people moving out, and some, generally new, people moving in. That's the process. If HexEnt really wants to keep a hold of the old guard here and their initial way of engaging them, the new forums will showcase that, and you will see everyone there, albeit some of us under different guises.

If the forums are well designed they will attract people and they will be successful. They don't need a veteran forum poster's pledge to be active. Most people who said they were moving on made clear they are going to continue to play and support the game, it'll just be different and/or we'll probably be using a different community platform to engage. If I'm wrong on that, errr, I don't know if that is a good thing or not, as I don't know if having the new forums being the same as the old forums (and therefore community) is good for this game or not.

You won't see me around as I can't keep my name. Maybe I'll pheonix up and come back as my IGN or something else. Who knows. But I'll continue to vote with my dollars for the game in practice, though my ballot numbers are down as of late given some financial hardship.

TLDR; for those saying they are moving on to a different Hex community or disengaging the communities in general, it isn't necessarily out of spite nor does it mean they aren't supporting the game. This sort of migration is both natural and healthy. No need to mark those people as whiners or bitter, better to mark them as founders of the original community who helped form the game during early days of development and paved a way for a new generation to come on in. The forums are dead. Long live the forums!

Salverus
04-16-2016, 05:04 AM
i bookmarked this link for the forums forums.cryptozoic.com/search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post
which would immediately show new content upon visiting, very convenient. But it also showed all the side stuff, for example topics about that Ghostbusters boardgame. I wonder if I can still do the same on the new forums for only HEX topics.

chromus
04-16-2016, 05:36 AM
You make some good points. I'm gonna touch upon a few points I disagree with.


Chromus, I think some of what you say is true, but some is squarely off, especially the spoiled children bit and the boycotting. Many of the people talking about moving on are staple members of the community that are neither being whiny nor are they 'boycotting' the new forums out of anger. In fact, most of the people who said they were moving on, myself included, said that they were still going to play the game and put some of their same gusto into supporting the Steam community. IMO, that is where the focus of veteran players and community members will be needed most for this transition.

Actually, most said they will be active on the Steam forums instead of being active on the official forums. If you truly care about the future community of this game, you can be active in both. You don't have to give up one for the other. The official forums will also always be the best place to interact with all the new players and give feedback to the developers.



CMs included, CMs aside, the tone of HexEnt has changed radically over the years in how it engages the community. Do I like it? No. Do I think they could have done it better? Yes. Does my opinion matter in this regard? Definitely not. I'm not upset about that at all either, I have zero insight to their company, and they are obviously at a time where a lot of decisions need to be made and mining the community is not the way one does that.

I don't agree that their tone has radically changed. I do agree that with CM or without CM, they have always had communication problems. It has improved over time but not nearly to the level we've come to expect. What I do hope, however, is that they will find a new CM who will bring a totally new perspective and turn things around. I've personally had the chance to meet many of the people behind this game during the Invitational. While there are so many amazingly talented people that are working very hard, let me tell you (having had a career in marketing and sales myself): none of them are marketing or communication specialists. One person - the right person - can make a huge difference.



If the forums are well designed they will attract people and they will be successful. They don't need a veteran forum poster's pledge to be active. Most people who said they were moving on made clear they are going to continue to play and support the game, it'll just be different and/or we'll probably be using a different community platform to engage. If I'm wrong on that, errr, I don't know if that is a good thing or not, as I don't know if having the new forums being the same as the old forums (and therefore community) is good for this game or not.


It's not about the veteran forum poster's pledge. It's about that veteran member of the community contributing to helping the newer members of the community while continuing to provide their much-needed feedback. These are the people with the most experience with the game. Their active participation in relevant conversations (not just playing the game) is a huge plus to the game itself, so losing the insight that these people bring is absolutely a loss for this game.



You won't see me around as I can't keep my name. Maybe I'll pheonix up and come back as my IGN or something else. Who knows. But I'll continue to vote with my dollars for the game in practice, though my ballot numbers are down as of late given some financial hardship.


And that's fine. Forum handles are are just forum handles. The important part is not losing you and others like you. Support through your wallet is excellent support of the game. Active participation in forums is another kind - one that we should not give up on just because we lose our forum names, post-count or titles.



TLDR; for those saying they are moving on to a different Hex community or disengaging the communities in general, it isn't necessarily out of spite nor does it mean they aren't supporting the game. This sort of migration is both natural and healthy. No need to mark those people as whiners or bitter, better to mark them as founders of the original community who helped form the game during early days of development and paved a way for a new generation to come on in. The forums are dead. Long live the forums!

They seemed bitter to me and they have reason to be. But I do trust they are mature enough to move past it and continue supporting the game in the ways they have always done. If not, they will be missed. Long live the forums indeed! :)

fido_one
04-16-2016, 05:44 AM
You make some good points. I'm gonna touch upon a few points I disagree with.



Actually, most said they will be active on the Steam forums instead of being active on the official forums. If you truly care about the future community of this game, you can be active in both. You don't have to give up one for the other. The official forums will also always be the best place to interact with all the new players and give feedback to the developers.


I don't agree that their tone has radically changed. I do agree that with CM or without CM, they have always had communication problems. It has improved over time but not nearly to the level we've come to expect. What I do hope, however, is that they will find a new CM who will bring a totally new perspective and turn things around. I've personally had the chance to meet many of the people behind this game during the Invitational. While there are so many amazingly talented people that are working very hard, let me tell you (having had a career in marketing and sales myself): none of them are marketing or communication specialists. One person - the right person - can make a huge difference.



It's not about the veteran forum poster's pledge. It's about that veteran member of the community contributing to helping the newer members of the community while continuing to provide their much-needed feedback. These are the people with the most experience with the game. Their active participation in relevant conversations (not just playing the game) is a huge plus to the game itself, so losing the insight that these people bring is absolutely a loss for this game.



And that's fine. Forum handles are are just forum handles. The important part is not losing you and others like you. Support through your wallet is excellent support of the game. Active participation in forums is another kind - one that we should not give up on just because we lose our forum names, post-count or titles.



They seemed bitter to me and they have reason to be. But I do trust they are mature enough to move past it and continue supporting the game in the ways they have always done. If not, they will be missed. Long live the forums indeed! :)

Well put. I disagree with some of your counterpoints but as always appreciate your insight. I should clarify that there is going to be some saltiness/bitterness in the transition, easy to fall into that trap, but from the people I'm thinking about, I know it is a temporary thing.

I'm sure we'll run into each other either in this incarnation or the next!