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  1. #11
    When you say it was a CZE decision, what exactly do you mean? Feel free to PM me the details if you don't want to discuss it here any further.
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  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by demonfae View Post
    When you say it was a CZE decision, what exactly do you mean? Feel free to PM me the details if you don't want to discuss it here any further.
    He mentions it in his post above - he's talking about the Jaral of Gilneas proxy precedent set in DMF Philly.
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  3. #13
    PM sent. The two situations are difference enough to generate two very different perceptions from the point of view of players. To put things simply: what if other players assumed I allowed proxies to a select few players on a whim? Doesn't exactly put me in the light of a fair and unbiased judge, does it?!

  4. #14
    That is insane.
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  5. #15
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    Not quite insane.

    Just a lot of miscommunication - always best to communicate clearly.

    If unsure, check with your HJ (overcommunicate). He is the boss after all.

  6. #16
    Players go to an event to craft cards that are announced are going to be at said event. Those cards are not at event, for whatever reason, is it the players fault ?
    I have seen people talk about proxies should never be allowed even in release events where the hero they wanted was not pulled. There needs to be a line drawn or just realize that certain things do come up that will allow proxies. As for the HJ allowing other judges to say they are ok with it , your the HJ your word is final not theirs.
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  7. #17
    Using a proxy hero in a release event or a draft is an entirely different situation when compared to a constructed event. It is known that there is a large chance that the hero you want wasn't opened or there were multiple people wanting to play it.

    Heading to a constructed tournament without a complete deck is a risky endeavor and as others have mentioned, it sets a risky precedent. When judges start talking about availability or what not, it can go downhill fast. I hope Cryptozoic makes a definitive statement that can be referenced for these future situations, and I hope that statement is proxies are not allowed.

  8. #18
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    The situation was actually alot WORSE than scotdogs has made out. here is why,

    Me and my team have been playtesting for uk nationals as soon as it was announced, oviusly when you playtest you use proxies because you might change the deck or build a deck your not going to play to test again (Mainly out of proxies), when it was announced that there was going to be a crafting vendor there we instantly added the crafted cards to our proxy play test pool and started to test with them in and out of our decks. However when it was announced that the vendor would not be prsent we removed them from our testing pool (and in some cases our decks!, since a few of us had sent off for them and where planning on using them).

    Now when out of the blue somone goes i play proxy and win, red lights started to go off and me and scotdogs challenged the HJ about it, he has already explained in his posts that he did not know so i dont have anything against him, infact he actually helped us out, so thumbs up for him. The real issue here is that none of the players who quallified got emailed with the informtion saying you can proxy crafting cards, so the only people who knew where the players at the store it was being held, now this is clearly a unfair advantage because they knew about it and every one else didnt (dont get me wrong, the manchester players are good! and win off their own back, and i am sure even if every one had proxies they still would of done well). Secondly, the decision that proxies where allowed, as explained by the player who used them on scotdogs was made by the store manager (to my knowlage) because his store could not get the crafting cards. Secondly it was not even announced before the actual event that certain proxy cards where legal, so again it was a unfair advantage because people could not change their decks to fit them in or even knew about it.

    In my opinion the UK qualified players should of been emailed before the event and again announced before the event. The fact that some players knew they could proxy cards and others didnt (including the HJ of the event) is terrible because it changes how people test and what people play on the day.

    Overall though i enjoyed the day and apart from the proxy situation was well organised and the judging team did a good job.
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  9. #19
    I'm sorry but there goes a lot on here which I have to comment on.

    CZE only offers on site crafting for all the events it helds itself (DMF+). CZE offers mail in crafting which it try to fulfill in the shortest possible time. If you wanted to have the cards for the Nationals you could have send it in to us. Everyone could have done that right from the point the cards have been announced.

    We announced that the new crafting cards are legal for Nationals, and everyone was free to send in the materials to get their cards in time for the Nationals. We promised to treat all cards for Nationals with a higher priority in Europe that everyone who wanted to play them should be able to. We managed to get the cards to Belgium for their Nationals on October 1st. We managed to get cards to France for their Nationals on October 9th. Unfortunately we were not able to get them to the UK Nationals in time.

    From the stamping on the envelopes I received from the UK, they were send off in September, it still has only reached us last Thursday, which is way to late to get it back to the players in time. We got a total of 3 players who crafted cards. I provided the names and the cards to the local distributor, requested to say our sorry to the players and let them know they can still play with them.

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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkpact View Post
    I'm sorry but there goes a lot on here which I have to comment on.

    CZE only offers on site crafting for all the events it helds itself (DMF+). CZE offers mail in crafting which it try to fulfill in the shortest possible time. If you wanted to have the cards for the Nationals you could have send it in to us. Everyone could have done that right from the point the cards have been announced.

    We announced that the new crafting cards are legal for Nationals, and everyone was free to send in the materials to get their cards in time for the Nationals. We promised to treat all cards for Nationals with a higher priority in Europe that everyone who wanted to play them should be able to. We managed to get the cards to Belgium for their Nationals on October 1st. We managed to get cards to France for their Nationals on October 9th. Unfortunately we were not able to get them to the UK Nationals in time.

    From the stamping on the envelopes I received from the UK, they were send off in September, it still has only reached us last Thursday, which is way to late to get it back to the players in time. We got a total of 3 players who crafted cards. I provided the names and the cards to the local distributor, requested to say our sorry to the players and let them know they can still play with them.

    Our premise is fans first. We don't want to let the players down.
    I understand the circumstances where out of your control, thats cool.

    However what was within your control was emailing the players saying that crafted proxies where allowed or even announce it before the event. Its not my intention to make crypto look bad, my intention is to shed light on the matter and try and try to understand why as to why qualifed player we were not informed prior to the event for testing purposes or prior to the event on the day and why a selected few were granted this knowlage and the majority where not.
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