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  1. #361
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  2. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by mach View Post
    The reason they're suing CZE and not Blizzard or all of the other TCG makers is likely because Hex is so much closer to MTG than the other games. Let's look at the specific "copied elements" mentioned in the lawsuit and see which apply to Hearthstone:
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    This is why Hasbro is suing CZE and not the makers of other games. Unlike other games, they think Hex is close enough that they can convince a jury.

    Eh, more like they know they can't bankrupt and forcibly buy out Blizzard.

    As to the substance of the similarities, there's a good article here that may have already been posted:http://www.gamedevelopment.com/view/...t_.php?print=1

    Just going by that article, it looks like Hasbro would have to show that Hex is so similar to MTG that a prospective buyer would get confused and think he was buying MTG when he wasn't. Hex can be a knockoff, that's allowed under copyright law (think about it; if it weren't, the only fantasy novel would be the Lord of the Rings and the only FPS would be Doom). What it can't be is a clone so precise as to be deceptive. And Hex is dissimilar enough to be pretty safe from that, though a judge or jury can always get confused.

    Is Hasbro actually asking for a jury trial? That seems odd.
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  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by mach View Post
    Yes, but from what I hear not a single one has bought into the Hex beta for some reason.
    Maybe because instead of talking about the unique things Hex is proposing and how Crypt has been so close and so active with it's community, we spend most of our time shittalking the still-in-development-game and comparing it towards MTG while shouting snarky comments on how this indie thing that is super indie is so much better than the super huge mega million dollar corporation...

    Real MTG players who haven't learn of Hex before, come here today and they see us as snarky hipsters hyping a fad... would YOU buy into that Beta? i Wouldn't.

    But i know Hex is more and better than that... i just hope the community care a lick about it in order to actually show that to the outside world looking at us now... first impressions matter in online games...

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by Hieronymous View Post
    Eh, more like they know they can't bankrupt and forcibly buy out Blizzard.

    As to the substance of the similarities, there's a good article here that may have already been posted:http://www.gamedevelopment.com/view/...t_.php?print=1

    Just going by that article, it looks like Hasbro would have to show that Hex is so similar to MTG that a prospective buyer would get confused and think he was buying MTG when he wasn't. Hex can be a knockoff, that's allowed under copyright law (think about it; if it weren't, the only fantasy novel would be the Lord of the Rings and the only FPS would be Doom). What it can't be is a clone so precise as to be deceptive. And Hex is dissimilar enough to be pretty safe from that, though a judge or jury can always get confused.

    Is Hasbro actually asking for a jury trial? That seems odd.
    And no one would ever be able to be confused when trying to buy HEX product thinking it was MTG product because you cannot get the game without going to HEXTCG.com and it is not available in any retailer.

  5. #365
    Quote Originally Posted by Axle View Post
    And no one would ever be able to be confused when trying to buy HEX product thinking it was MTG product because you cannot get the game without going to HEXTCG.com and it is not available in any retailer.
    That's... not how that argument works dude...

    But yeah, for other reasons... it is not reasonable to think a player could buy Hex thinking it was MTG or the other way around.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by Mahes View Post
    There is a bright side to all this. Many Magic players had no idea that Hex existed.


    They do now......
    Currently, until CZE issues a statement (and it will likely be very brief or to the point), this situation is win-win-win for WotC/Hasbro no matter the outcome:

    1. They put legal and financial burden on CZE.
    2. They cheapen the image of CZE and the game HEX.
    3. They can play the victim to any/all that have not followed HEX because people will not have the patience to look into depth.

  7. #367
    It is. There is zero way to buy platinum without looking at a billion signs that HEX is a different game.

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by Kami View Post
    Currently, until CZE issues a statement (and it will likely be very brief or to the point), this situation is win-win-win for WotC/Hasbro no matter the outcome:

    1. They put legal and financial burden on CZE.
    2. They cheapen the image of CZE and the game HEX.
    3. They can play the victim to any/all that have not followed HEX because people will not have the patience to look into depth.

    There's a downside here too which Hasbro may not have fully anticipated, which is that they're going to look like a patent troll and bully and are going to royally piss off many or most of the Hex kickstarter backers. They may not care about that or figure they can shrug it off, and honestly they're probably right, but there is a downside.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axle View Post
    And no one would ever be able to be confused when trying to buy HEX product thinking it was MTG product because you cannot get the game without going to HEXTCG.com and it is not available in any retailer.
    More importantly anyone who's played magic is going to look at a hex card and think:

    "Wow, that looks a lot like magic."
    In other words, they'll instantly realize that it isn't a M:TG card. None of the MTG symbols or rules language are there. To a TCG player, sure, one's a knockoff, but they're clearly not the same game, and that's what matters.
    Last edited by Hieronymous; 05-15-2014 at 06:50 AM.
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  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Axle View Post
    It is. There is zero way to buy platinum without looking at a billion signs that HEX is a different game.
    IANAL, but I don't think that's sufficient. If it were you could get away with clones of anything just by sticking a brightly-colored "This isn't the real thing" sticker on it.

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by Hieronymous View Post
    There's a downside here too which Hasbro may not have fully anticipated, which is that they're going to look like a patent troll and bully and are going to royally piss off many or most of the Hex kickstarter backers. They may not care about that or figure they can shrug it off, and honestly they're probably right, but there is a downside.
    Objectively, that is hardly a drop in the bucket for them.

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