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  1. #11
    The near future ranking system would certainly be the only way to have a glimpse on our level in the game comparz to others.
    Cory was not very specific when he talked about it in the invitationl stream but it's sound like it would be like a ATP tennis ranking.

  2. #12
    I want confirmation that I am a top ten rare drafter.

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    I will not change my playstyle from fun plays to useful ones only, no matter the result on my ranking :P

  4. #14
    honestly i hope these stats stay hidden. Having a glaring win % show up on your stat page for drafts and the like just leads to a more selfish view both inside and outside of the game. Yes track tournament wins that are part of an actual tournament like fiveshards and such but the generic competition queue? Thats a step too far with stat tracking. There are people out there that sometimes just want to sit down and draft to just goof off and have some fun with a deck. The generic queues are a casual grouping of people that want to play a game and to throw a giant ranking system on that is like counting a basketball players stats with the game he plays with his nephews in their yard as part of their career. Not to say its a joke its meant to be taken seriously but not on the level of a truly organized tournament format.

    In the end it will bloat the entire system and actually punish people for just having fun and going with something fun. Remember UDraft? Would a serious competitive streamer do that anymore if he knew it would seriously effect his rankings? Its a punishment on having fun.

    That and generally stuff like KDA and win % in games ends up a giant circlejerk dick waving contest where a portion of the community will just outright lie cheat and steal to protect. Situations like that are a sad truth and they are best left to the groups that are built to handle them. And those groups are the organizers of the serious tournaments. Its a requirement to run a serious competitive tournament to be able to handle situations like that. Its something that cant be policed properly in a wild west like atmosphere of casual draft queues.

    If the post came off hard to read its cause i was up all night playing the culling after being dragged away from hex which i played and watched all yesterday.

    TLDR EDIT

    Basically tournaments hosted by a serious group of people or company where you are expected to bring your AAA++ game should be ranked in some way but the casual random drafts are just a waste of time to police with it as most people are just out to have fun in them.

    As a side note im actually a little sad that the stats were referenced at all really if they were for standard random queues.
    Last edited by MasterN64; 03-07-2016 at 07:28 AM. Reason: tldr
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    true, but they could easily add ranked / unranked tournaments to prevent ppl from forcing them into ranked games.

    or just make comp drafts = ranked
    and swiss drafts = unranked

    id prefer both as ranked/unranked - but this might blows up the whole system and spreads the playerbase.
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  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Cernz View Post
    true, but they could easily add rankend / unranked tournaments to prevent ppl from forcing them into ranked games.
    Ah yes but the problem stands for that is then you would have a normal competitive, ranked competitive, normal swiss, and ranked swiss queues which would slow down the already somewhat slow firing rate for the tourneys. Granted thats even if you worry about the swiss getting ranked. But fragmenting a smaller playerbase into even smaller shards is always a bad plan.
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  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterN64 View Post
    TLDR EDIT

    Basically tournaments hosted by a serious group of people or company where you are expected to bring your AAA++ game should be ranked in some way but the casual random drafts are just a waste of time to police with it as most people are just out to have fun in them.

    As a side note im actually a little sad that the stats were referenced at all really if they were for standard random queues.
    A) The ranking means absolutely nothing. Its not like you are getting a prize or a tournament invite from it.

    B) I'm asking out of personal curiosity. I know I'm not top 10 lifetime, but it would be interesting to know what to aspire to in a given format.

    Edit: Basically we have no yardstick to measure limited success whereas it very easy to measure constructed success.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Gen91 View Post
    When I start 100 drafts and in 50 of them I only raredraft and drop,
    but in the other 50 I play, I always win, should I get only a 50% winrate?
    yes, you most certainly should since that is the winrate you have earned. Why do you think it should be any other way?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterN64 View Post
    honestly i hope these stats stay hidden. Having a glaring win % show up on your stat page for drafts and the like just leads to a more selfish view both inside and outside of the game. Yes track tournament wins that are part of an actual tournament like fiveshards and such but the generic competition queue? Thats a step too far with stat tracking. There are people out there that sometimes just want to sit down and draft to just goof off and have some fun with a deck. The generic queues are a casual grouping of people that want to play a game and to throw a giant ranking system on that is like counting a basketball players stats with the game he plays with his nephews in their yard as part of their career. Not to say its a joke its meant to be taken seriously but not on the level of a truly organized tournament format.

    In the end it will bloat the entire system and actually punish people for just having fun and going with something fun. Remember UDraft? Would a serious competitive streamer do that anymore if he knew it would seriously effect his rankings? Its a punishment on having fun.

    That and generally stuff like KDA and win % in games ends up a giant circlejerk dick waving contest where a portion of the community will just outright lie cheat and steal to protect. Situations like that are a sad truth and they are best left to the groups that are built to handle them. And those groups are the organizers of the serious tournaments. Its a requirement to run a serious competitive tournament to be able to handle situations like that. Its something that cant be policed properly in a wild west like atmosphere of casual draft queues.

    If the post came off hard to read its cause i was up all night playing the culling after being dragged away from hex which i played and watched all yesterday.

    TLDR EDIT

    Basically tournaments hosted by a serious group of people or company where you are expected to bring your AAA++ game should be ranked in some way but the casual random drafts are just a waste of time to police with it as most people are just out to have fun in them.

    As a side note im actually a little sad that the stats were referenced at all really if they were for standard random queues.
    I disagree, at least when it comes to competitive draft and competitive constructed. These should be tracked just like any other tournament. If you want to make an argument for the swiss (casual friendly) versions of these 2 events to not be tracked I can see that being a possibility though. This would also mean we would either need a competitive sealed 8 man event or we would need to track that in rankings as well.

  9. #19
    I'd be morbidly curious to know what my Limited/Constructed ranking was. I can't see what it would hurt to know. People that you think will be egotistical and narcissistic about their limited rating will be so without it.
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  10. #20
    I think a ranking system for limited would be an absolutely awesome addition to the game. It would be cool if the ranking reset every few months, and then maybe there was at least some overall record of your stats / ranking that you could view for your own edification. Also, Cory mentioned during the tournament that constructed rankings would be a possible way in the future for players to merit inclusion into tournaments. It would be awesome if the same was true for limited rankings, and even more awesome (i.e. cowabunga-level awesome) if there was a tournament entirely devoted to limited play.

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