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Patrigan
04-28-2014, 12:42 AM
In my everlasting endeavour to make the wiki the best, I stumbled upon a peculiar issue.

What's the difference between a robot and a construct?

List of Robots:
http://hextcg.gamepedia.com/List_of_Robot_cards

List of Constructs:
http://hextcg.gamepedia.com/List_of_Construct_cards

Kami
04-28-2014, 03:12 AM
Robot: a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.

Construct: a physical thing that is deliberately built or formed.

Basically, a robot is technically a construct as well but a construct is not necessarily a robot.

Patrigan
04-28-2014, 03:19 AM
Robot: a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.

Construct: a physical thing that is deliberately built or formed.

Basically, a robot is technically a construct as well but a construct is not necessarily a robot.

The constructs in Hex often seem more like robots, for example Eternal Guardian. So why did they make the separation?

I do see one possible point of difference: Constructs feel more "magical", but then we're getting into Golem territory. We have those as well, but not many and currently AI only.
http://hextcg.gamepedia.com/List_of_Golem_cards

Kami
04-28-2014, 03:35 AM
I think the key point here that would define a robot is:

"capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically"

A construct could even be something like a tank for example but it is not a robot. (random example)

Gwaer
04-28-2014, 07:42 PM
Also their formation might be the key, an eternal guardian may be a device of magical artifice, shaped wholecloth through some spell or great work, while a robot is more like what we know today, dwarves build them with gears and springs and shizt. So even if they can both do complex tasks their natures are very different.

Loregoyle
04-29-2014, 03:20 PM
If a dwarf can build it, then it's a robot. If not, then it's a construct.

This is overly simplistic and I'm sure there are exceptions, but it serves the basic idea that robots are machines that are mostly controlled by their internal programming, while constructs are sentient beings with free will whose bodies are non-organic.

I won't lie, there are also occasionally gameplay ramifications for the distinction. For example, the designers may not want a card that buffs robots to also affect the Eternal Guardian.

And golems are essentially robots that are created with magic, rather than bolts and screwdrivers. (I guess, technically, that would make Soul Cavalry a golem, rather than a construct. I'll have to give that some thought.)

Patrigan
04-29-2014, 11:14 PM
And golems are essentially robots that are created with magic, rather than bolts and screwdrivers. (I guess, technically, that would make Soul Cavalry a golem, rather than a construct. I'll have to give that some thought.)

It was actually Soul Cavalry that ticked me off the most!

Thanks Loregoyle! This'll go a long way in creating the respective wiki pages!
Robots (http://hextcg.gamepedia.com/Robot)
Constructs (http://hextcg.gamepedia.com/Construct)
Golems (http://hextcg.gamepedia.com/Golem)

Frost3
05-15-2014, 12:24 AM
The difference between robots and constructs usually comes down to their origin, and driving force.

Robots are built from science. "2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation." - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science?s=t

In this case likely the machinations of dwarves. I would surmise that dwarves used their science to build machines long before the hex comet struck. Only after hexing gems did they likely begin incorporating them as an unknown element, and likely a power source amongst other things. if you look at the flavor text of Slaughtergear it will mention that the large quantity of hex gems placed into the machine, caused it to become sentient and go out of control.

Another key thing about robots, is that they are always constructed of moving parts, and are generally powered through some form of electricity, whether directly or not. They usually have some form of circuitry, and wiring as a pseudo nerve system to help command their various parts.

A construct differs from robots in that its driving source is magic. "2. the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature. Compare contagious magic, imitative magic, sympathetic magic." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/magic?s=t

Science and magic are in many ways two sides of the same coin. They can wildly throw things together to garner unexpected occurrence. Or meticulously formulate ingredients to derive a specific result. Science usually uses combinations of elements to create their machinations. While magic often invokes power from within the caster, or from the world around them to drive their creations.

Constructs are inanimate objects that are animated by fueling them with magical power. Sometimes rituals are used, or talismans, sometimes the wizard or mage, simply wills them to come to life. Imagine a stone statue, that gets up and walks around. That should be impossible. It has no muscles or bones, no joints or gears. Yet it somehow moves and fights despite these seeming limitations.

There are examples of where science and magic come together, but these are the general dividing lines for these two types of 'creatures'

My favorite thing about Soul Marble is the notion that these might be magic wielding artists, who pour their arcane energy and hard work, and eventually fabricate this fantastic creation. Which through their own desires could either be weapons and armor made of mystically enchanted and hardened marble or a devastating calvary unit made completely of marble capable of trampling soldiers at a level rivaling any renowned knight.

Loregoyle
05-16-2014, 03:23 PM
I would surmise that dwarves used their science to build machines long before the hex comet struck. Only after hexing gems did they likely begin incorporating them as an unknown element, and likely a power source amongst other things.

Your surmising is accurate. At some point I would love the story to go deeper into the machines that the dwarves built pre-Hex.

Great post!

Viziroth
05-27-2014, 07:21 AM
I've been under the impression of A construct is anything that is created in an unnatural or inorganic process. If the construct is powered by gears, servos, or pneumatics or is programmed by a computer like device it specifically a robot. If the construct is created through magic to serve a specific purpose it's probably a golem. If the means of propulsion is undetermined, the specific purpose is unclear, or the construct is significantly advanced it's in an undefined category. Soul Calvary, for example, may have hinges, but there's no wires or gears on those hinges that would be moving them, one could argue that it would actually be a marble golem with the purpose of war, but maybe it has free will or is a really really advanced golem. The materials are irrelevant, you can have wooden/clay robots and you could have metal magical constructs. Also, magic and science aren't separate things, nor are they two sides of the same coin. Notice how I didn't say robots are made with science. Science isn't a force, it's a way of thinking. A thaumaturge could be a scientist, they're just studying magic.